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   From: reality@check.it   
      
   "Deadrat"  wrote in message   
   > "¦ Reality Check© ¦"  wrote in   
   >> "Deadrat"  wrote in message   
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   >>>> Deadrat wrote:   
   >>>>> thedarkman  wrote in   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Incitement and racial hatred can mean practically anything; these   
   >>>>>> are catch all thought crimes.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Maybe in the UK.  Not in the US.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Incitement requires specific instructions in a situation of clear   
   >>>>> and imminent danger.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "Hate crimes" is a misleading term for increased penalties for   
   >>>>> crimes of violence in which the motivation is racism or the like.   
   >>>>> Hatred itself and the simple expression thereof are not crimes.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "I hate your guts!" Sock!  May or may not be a hate crime is the US.   
   >>>> If your skin colors and religions don't match it will be a hate   
   >>>> crime if the DA don't like you.   
   >>>   
   >>> "Sock!" -- at that point (*but not before*) it's a crime:  battery.   
   >>   
   >> Or puppetry.   
   >   
   > Always with us.   
   >   
   >>> What  might make it a "hate crime" is the previous declaration that   
   >>> makes it   
   >>> clear the assualt was motivated by hatred.   
   >>   
   >> And how many assaults, batteries, rapes and murders are motivated by   
   >> Love?   
   >   
   > Group hatred.   
      
   Homo Sapiens?   
      
   >   
   >>> The prosecution will have to show beyond a reasonable doubt that   
   >>> the hatred was racial and not, say, personal animus.   
   >>   
   >> So it *is* a thought crime, eh?   
   >   
   > No, there has to a behavioral crime.  The group hatred part increases the   
   > penalty.   
      
   So the *thought*, not the action itself, is what's being (additionally)   
   penalized, eh?   
      
   See - Thought Crime   
      
      
      
   >   
   >>>> It is in this way that US law forces racism   
   >>>> as it prevents mixed race social interaction as  personal dislike is   
   >>>> automatically turned into racism.   
   >>>   
   >>> Do you have any evidence for this contention?   
   >>   
   >> If two white guys get into a fight, and one calls the other a nigger,   
   >> has a racial hate crime occured?   
   >   
   > I suppose it would be up to the jury.   
      
   12 fools too stupid to get out of jury duty?   
      
   >   
   >> What if one of the white guys was Michael Jackson?   
   >   
   > No you didn'!   
      
   Is it OK to hate child molestors?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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