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   XPost: soc.men, can.politics, uk.politics.misc   
   From: klunk@theothershoo.org   
      
   > I am fighting against the   
   > unjustified loss of my place as a father to my child and against the   
   > estrangement that has resulted. My fight is my own but it is also a   
   > fight for the collective.   
      
   okay... now you've been more specific... and to me... your struggle appears   
   rather symmetrical to me... and so... since you've raised two points with   
   respect to your status as a father and in your claim of representing society   
   in general...   
      
   the first question raised imm is in what way does your position represent   
   and/or reflect on society... how is your fight a fight for the   
   collective...?...   
      
   the second question is a little more complex and has a lot of preamble....   
   and is in consideration of one's status as a father encompassing a wide   
   variety of responsibilities which can result in disastrous consequences to   
   society... iow... how do we know you're not just going to train another   
   generation of criminals...?.... this isn't to suggest that you have ulterior   
   or "evil" motivations... but, that one's child inherits one's   
   dysfunctions.... whatever person your child will be will be heavily   
   influenced by who you are and what you will be throughout the course of   
   their lives....   
      
   another question which may appear harsh but is valid nonetheless in an   
   insight to what motivates you to fight... are you thinking about what's best   
   for you or the child...?.... only you can answer that question... and you   
   won't really be able to for probably another decade... just so you know I'm   
   not expecting an answer to that question... it would be rather meaningless   
   to me... I don't know you... I don't know your specific circumstances... I   
   do know your general circumstances... and I'm attempting to determine   
   whether someone should be entrusted with such a role...   
      
   ...so...feel free to unload as much as you like if you choose to respond   
   because I'm thinking the more I comprehend your perspective, the more I'll   
   relate to another....   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)