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   From: no-one@myarl.co.uk   
      
   dotcom wrote:   
   > On Aug 30, 8:37 pm, "Norman Wells"  wrote:   
   >> Doug wrote:   
   >>> On 30 Aug, 03:52, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"  wrote:   
   >>>> "dotcom"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> So can a judge really kick you out of court for not standing for   
   >>>>> him?. And what justification would he have if I was otherwise just   
   >>>>> sitting quietly minding my own business. Where would I find the   
   >>>>> law that   
   >>>>> says I have to stand?   
   >>> Yes if you don't comply with the ritual you can expect to be   
   >>> punished for it. You are supposed to wear a suit to make yourself   
   >>> look respectable and law-abiding and show due deference to   
   >>> demonstrate your acceptance of the process and its decision making.   
   >>> It is a form of blackmail, "Do as we want or else". Reminds me of   
   >>> my school days.   
   >>   
   >> And so it should, because it's the grown-up version, which we adults   
   >> call 'society'.   
   >>   
   >> Like it or not, it's the will of the people, expressed through the   
   >> democratic process, that these people should have authority over   
   >> you. And, like it or not, these people can make life pretty   
   >> unpleasant for you.   
   >>   
   >> If you fancy yourself as a martyr, that's OK and perfectly allowed.   
   >> In fact it would be quite amusing, so I won't discourage you. If you   
   >> don't, however, the best advice is to try to minimise the impact,   
   >> and that means showing conformity with the process, even if it means   
   >> you have to publicly compromise your precious principles.   
   >>   
   >> Your choice.   
   >   
   > precious principles Norman? you mean like honesty,  respect for the   
   > truth and justice?   
      
   No, none of those are compromised in the least by wearing a suit or standing   
   when the judge enters the court.  Try again.   
      
   > I think you are a bit confused about the meaning of authority.  My   
   > boss at work has authority over   
   > me , I respect that, but it doesn mean I have to bow to him, or stand   
   > when he enters the room, or call him your worship.   
      
   If that's what he wants, however, your choice is to comply or suffer   
   whatever consequences he has the power to inflict.  Or leave.  But that's   
   seldom an option in a courtroom.   
      
      
   >  The crap that goes   
   > on in courts is not about authority , society or democracy its about   
   > the pompous asses that call themselves lawyers and judges, and I   
   > wouldnt trust any of them as far as I could kick them..   
      
   But that's all irrelevant.  These people have power over you.  You may not   
   like it, but it's a fact.  They can do things to you that you won't like,   
   and society will uphold them in doing so.  Complain as much as you like,   
   therefore, it's still best to conform.   
      
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