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   prince andy to All   
   Re: "Between the U.S. and Britain, an id   
   17 Mar 10 02:40:39   
   
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   From: pa@home.com   
      
   "Mike"  wrote in message   
   news:8df41241-9f2d-4e45-a50d-7baf18cfd587@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...   
   > news.google.com   
   >   
   > Between the U.S. and Britain, an ideological parting   
   > By Anne Applebaum   
   > Tuesday, March 16, 2010; A19   
      
   AND WOULD YOU BELIEVE SOMEONE BY THE NAME OF APPLEBAUM HAS CHOSEN, OR BEEN   
   CHOSEN TO POINT OUT THE MISGIVINGS OF A BREAK BETWEEN TWO ALLIES WHOSE ONLY   
   DIFFERENCE AT PRESENT WOULD BE THE EMBARASSING OBEISANCE AND HUMBLE   
   PROTESTATIONS OF OBEDIENCE AND LOYALTY ABOVE AND BEYOND ANY REQUIRED BY A   
   LEADING PARTNER TO A NAUGHTY DEPENDENT.   
      
   EMPHASISING TO AMERICA AND ENGLAND THEY CAN HOPE FOR NOTHING WITH THEIR   
   WITLESS AND GUTLESS POLITICIANS.   
      
      Republicans held up the British health-care system as an example of  the   
   nightmare that might await America if Obama's health-care  proposals were   
   passed.   
      
   SO STRANGELY ENOUGH WE ARE TAKING ABOUT COMPARISON OF A UNIVERSAL HEALTH   
   CARE SYSTEM CARING FOR AL OF THE POPULATION.   
      
   AND THE REPUDS/JEWISH PARTY'S EFFICENT HEALTH FOR JEWISH AMERICANS AND SOME   
   NON JEWISH AMERICANS NONE FOR THE NON JEWISH 98% OF THE POPULATION WITHOUT   
   SHELLING OUT TO THE JEWISH POPULATION AS MUCH AS THE JEWISH HEALTH SYSTEM   
   CAN SOAK EM FOR AND STILL LEAVE  80% OF THE POPULATION WITH INSUFFICIENT OR   
   NO HEALTH CARE.   
      
   SO HOW YOU CAN POSSIBLY COME TO THE CONCLUSION NO HEALTH CARE IS GOOD FOR   
   ANYONE BUT THE AFFLUENT MINORITY POPULATION WHO MOST HAVE WHICH HAVE BEEN   
   FORCED INTO TENT LIVING WITH DESTROYED NEST EGGS BY JEWISH DOMINATED BANK   
   AND INSURANCE SYSTEMS TO SUPPORT THE JEWISH ISRAEL SADISTS WHO CANNOT RUN A   
   GOVERNMENT WITHOUT NATIVE BARBARITY WHICH ATAGONISES ALL NON JEWS IN IT'S   
   BARBARIC APARTHEIDIS RACISM AND INJUSTICE.   
      
   BUT JEWISH INFLUENCE INAMEICA HAS DECIDED TT ISRAEL WOULD BE SUPPORTED TILL   
   IT HURT.   
   AND BUYING OUT OF AMERICAN POLITICIANS WITH AMERICAN AID FUNDS CONTRIBUTING   
   TO THEIR PROBLEMS SEEMS IRONIC.   
      
    Further evidence that the days of ideological cross-pollination are  over   
   can be seen in discussions about education. Many of the troubles  of the   
   British state school system sound familiar to American ears:   
   > Falling standards, inner-city violence, private schools outperforming   
   > their state counterparts, uneven performance in different parts of the   
   > country.   
      
   TEN SHE PUTS SIMILAR PROBLEMS THAT THE WST HAS SOLVED BEFORE WITHOUT THE   
   BREAKUP  AND CO-OPERATION SE WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE IS HAPPENING?   
      
   WHY, TO SUPPORT THAT BREAKUP AND IMPROVE THE STATUS OF WORLDWIDE JEWRY AS   
   THE PROPER RESOLUTION SHE WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE OF THE FALL OF WESTERN UNITY   
   , SO STAND ASIDE AND LET WORD JEWRY TAKE OVER?   
      
   PERHAPS THERE IS SOMEWHERE  PRESIDENTS OF TE CALIBRE IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE   
   AMERICA A TRUE LEADER AGAIN INSTEAD OF WHAT MOST NOW SEE , AN AMERICAN   
   POODLE KICKED AROUND BY AN ISRAELI MASTWER.   
      
   >   
   > LONDON   
   >   
   > "Two nations, divided by a common language" is how somebody once   
   > described Britain and America. "Two nations, divided by a common   
   > politics" is another way to put it. Ever since the days of Margaret   
   > Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, the political fortunes of the United   
   > States and Britain have tracked and reflected one another in odd ways.   
   > For many years they moved in tandem: The harmonious center-right union   
   > of Thatcher-Reagan was followed by the equally harmonious, if less   
   > affectionate, center-left union of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton.   
   >   
   > But then came Blair-Bush, which worked out rather badly for Blair. Now   
   > we have Brown-Obama, who barely speak to each other. And even though   
   > in Gordon Brown and Barack Obama we once again have two "center-left"   
   > candidates in charge, a distinct lack of harmony characterizes   
   > transatlantic political debates. Our health-care conversations, for   
   > example, are totally different. This became apparent last year when   
   > Republicans held up the British health-care system as an example of   
   > the nightmare that might await America if Obama's health-care   
   > proposals were passed. British conservatives -- who had been bashing   
   > their centralized system for years -- immediately rallied to its   
   > defense. David Cameron, the Conservative Party leader who is angling   
   > to become prime minister in this spring's election, has even promised   
   > to "ring-fence" health care so that it is not affected by future   
   > budget cuts.   
   >   
   > Further evidence that the days of ideological cross-pollination are   
   > over can be seen in discussions about education. Many of the troubles   
   > of the British state school system sound familiar to American ears:   
   > Falling standards, inner-city violence, private schools outperforming   
   > their state counterparts, uneven performance in different parts of the   
   > country. To combat these ills in the United States, 48 governors have   
   > started talking about the voluntary bipartisan creation of "national   
   > standards," an idea the Obama administration and its supporters have   
   > embraced with enthusiasm, as have many conservative education   
   > reformers. This is now the cutting edge of the U.S. education debate:   
   > A child's education must not depend "primarily on ZIP code," the low   
   > standards of many school districts must be raised, and only concerted   
   > action across the nation can fix the problem.   
   >   
   > But the British already have not only national standards but also a   
   > national curriculum and national exams. And it is precisely those   
   > curriculums and exams that the British public want to escape. Hence   
   > the popular Conservative Party proposal: Liberate state schools from   
   > "stifling state control." Allow parents and teachers to start small   
   > charter schools from scratch. Let the child's Zip code determine not   
   > only the curriculum, in other words, but the nature and philosophy of   
   > the school, the size of the classes, the methods of education. Make   
   > schools not more alike but more different. Free pupils from pointless   
   > exams.   
   >   
   > I don't want to make too much of these examples: More than anything   
   > else, the divergence of our transatlantic debates reflects cultural   
   > differences that have always been a lot deeper than they first seem.   
   > But they do reflect some transatlantic and even global political   
   > changes. Thatcher and Reagan could share a simple and ideologically   
   > compatible vision of the world because they had clear ideological   
   > opponents: Soviet-style communism abroad, welfare statism at home. In   
   > the post-Cold War moment, Blair and Clinton could also share an   
   > ideologically compatible goal: Both wanted to bring the old left into   
   > the new center.   
   >   
   > Nothing is nearly so clear anymore, and certainly not in tricky   
      
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