From: bo774@FreeNet.Carleton.CA   
      
   "Big Cheese" (noyfb@invalid.invalid) writes:   
   > Ok, we've all heard the disclaimer. But under Canadian law, can I refuse?   
   You can just hang up.   
      
   > Not give consent for Whom ever is on the other side to record the call?   
   >   
   > I call Rogers or Bell etc because my Internet is slow, or my TV has bad   
   > reception .   
      
   When Shaw ignored the Do Not Solict flag in their Customer DB I got the   
   Federal Privacy Commission involved and ended up with a $100 Credit.   
   (Minimum Civil Remedy, BC Credit Reporting Act, as a reference to   
    establish it as a reasonable minimum claim)   
      
   Multiple harassing sales calls and personalized snail mail solicitations.   
      
   Identify theft prevention advice is to shred mail with names and addresses   
   or clip the name and address, My time wasted for Shaw advertising products   
   I know all about and will never purchase from Shaw. They really seem to   
   hate me paying the ~$37 per month Rock Bottom Basic + second outlet, instead   
   of the $100s some people pay Shaw each month.   
      
   Shaw ignored me until I got the Commission involved. Proding by the   
   Commission revealed that a "rogue marketer" had made an unauthorzed   
   extract of phone numbers and addresses. Now my monthly invoices arrive   
   addressed to "Dear Resident".   
      
   >   
   > The telemarketer calls, with this disclaimer. I call XYZ Store to arrange   
   > delivery of a home appliance or furniture .   
      
   Aren't you on the National Do Not Call Registry? If it is a polling company   
   or one of the other entities which bought themselves an exemption tell them   
   that you require them to add your name to the Enterprise Do Not Call Registry   
   which the watered own Regulation Requries them to maintain.   
      
   That is, even if they are exempt from the National DNC Registry they are   
   required to maintain their own internal DNC registry and to not call for   
   a minimum of 1 year. You don't even have to identify yourself.   
      
   > I never gave it much thought before today. What got my attention was a call   
   > at work today, from Caller ID blocked 1-800 number for someone we let go   
   > over two years ago. It was a machine dialer, collection agency calling   
   >  is that John Doe, before we continued I must ask your   
   > D.O.B, before we continue.   
   >   
   > I said I do not consent to being recorded, and hung up.   
      
   Should have told them to add you to their DNC registry and not call again.   
      
   > What is the law in Canada, I know why a collection agent wants to record,   
   > but it seems everyone is, that is seems to be built into most of these phone   
   > systems.   
      
   My wife and I got a series of time wasting and annoying phone calls demanding   
   to speak to the Man/Woman of the house. They persisted even after she told   
   then "no, we don't have any of those here". What did seem to stop then was   
   the time I answered the call and asked "are you aware that you are calling   
   a Canadian Phone number?". They hung up even before I could point out that   
   they are required to honor the National DNC registry and to add my number to   
   their own DNC registry if they have an exemption to the national DNC register.   
      
   The question about Birth Date was a waste of time. Credit Reports are often   
   a source of information used by Identify Theives. Being able to recite the   
   DOB, etc may just mean that someone found or stole a wallet, or that they   
   looked through a recycling box left at a curb, or found paper in an Asian   
   paper recycling facility the recycler was shipped it to as a cheap   
   alternative to recycling it in Canada.   
      
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