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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Stephen Godfrey "Unjustified Doc    |
|    24 Jan 14 11:49:34    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: I went to Nova Scotia to be the expert witness in       Stephen Godfrey's "Mernagh Plus Why" constitutional BENO       challenge to prove the MMAR a Bad Exemption and quash his       charge as No Offence.              I flew in to Moncton early Monday morning with witness       Laurence Cherniak and his girlfriend Eve and we were picked       up by witness Stephen Burroughs who drove us out to Terry       Flute Wood's place.              Stephen Burroghs, like all of Dr. Kammermans' patients       outside Ontario, got a letter revoking his Authorization To       Possess on Oct 31 and had to find a new doctor (in BC by       Skype) but was in penal jeopardy until he did. Had Dr.       Kammermans authorized Nova Scotians by Skype from Ontario,       no problem, but because he showed up in Nova Scotial to do       personal exams, that made him practice where he didn't have       a license! So they revoked all those exemptions! Imagine,       the only impropriety was the doctor visited personally and       there would have been none if he's stayed in Ontario. All       those people lost their exemptions for that inane reason!       Wish it was worth a judicial review. But it's a nice       anecdote exemplifying Health Canada's abusive mindset.              That evening, Stephen Godfrey and attorney Eugene Tan showed       up for a meeting of the witnesses. They included Donna Jones       and Cale Sutton who, with Stephen, couldn't find a doctor to       sign, and exemptees Debbie Stultz-Giffen, Marcel Gignac and       Stephen Burroughs who did but cited troubles with the MMAR.              In court on Tuesday morning, my part was to testify that       each tort would cause more pain than gain. The patients       would then testify how much. Like a vector with magnitude       and direction, I pointed out the logical direction and they       pointed out the actual magnitude of the pain.              The Crown was Doug Shatford, the same Crown in Rick       Simpson's Cannabis Oil case. Judge Scovil presiding.              The Crown challenged how my opinion on the odds of pain       being increased compared to gain could relate to the right       to life. And the judge didn't see the relevance of an expert       opinion that no DIN was going to hurt more than help, that       yearly renewals for permanently-ill people hurt more than it       helped. So "odds of survival" was barred!              But the witnesses provided the actual evidence of the pain       that I was not allowed to theorize! Har har har har har har.       Getting my opinion figured out with math that it was more       pain than gain may have been barred but the Crown wasn't       ready for the actually evidence there was more pain and no       gain.              I've ordered the tape of the hearing for $25, great       souvenir, and may have time to transcribe it, doubtful, but       the evidence will figure prominently in the written       representations!              The Judge ordered that the Defence provide written summation       by Feb 17, the Crown by Mar 31 and he'll hand down his       decision on April 24 2014.              I believe the evidence elicited allows Stephen to win the       Mernagh Plus "Why Doctors had No Good Reasons" hands down.       No rebuttal from Crown at all, though he was completely       unprepared compared to the two Crowns in the Spottiswood       challenge with reams of documentation from Health Canada on       every witness. Maybe Shatford wasn't too eager to invest       time in a losing fight late in the era.              But a Godfrey Plus win still negates the prohibitions back       to Aug 1 2001, Terry Parker Day, just like the first win in       J.P. negated the 4,000 charges withdrawn back from Oct 7       2003 to 2001 Aug 1 and Mernach would have negated it from       2010. So a win in Godfrey Plus means a lot of charges will       be dropped around the country and possibly expunge       convictions back to 2001.              Remember the consequences of the Mernagh decision. BENO: Bad       Exemption means No Offence dating back to while the MMAR       never worked, 2001. That's how big this Godfrey (Mernagh       Plus) really is, as big as Mernagh would have been. Check       out those headlines while it had not yet been overturned.       "Court strikes down pot prohibitions!" Then realize that       Godfrey can't be overturned by the court saying "you had no       evidence doctors didn't have good reasons to refuse..."              I get the feeling what's been accomplished in Nova Scotia       and the position you're now in merits getting excited about.       We all lived the the great expectations for Mernagh and now       realize Maritimers came together in Godfrey Plus to cinch       their home-grown, but national too, hopes.              Now, I'm happy as heck that the "doctors had no reasons"       issue is proven but my focus is on winning condemnation of       the other 23 torts, especially those that are now also in       the MMPR like yearly renewals for permanent diseases (just       to discomfit and deter doctor capability and support), no       financial support by Drug Information Number, S.65 destruct       order if permit renewal late, etc. I just want to make sure       those issues are also condemned, or not, so I can write up       appeals So my main goal from now on is to make sure we get       reasons we can argue about to the north.              But I think everyone should prepare themselves for a win of       the same consequence as Mernagh, only stronger since you       fulfilled the requisites demanded by the Ontario Court of       Appeal to show the doctors had no good reasons. Prohibitions       7 and 4 on cultivation and possession declared invalid all       the way back to Terry Parker Day. Just like Mernagh and J.P.       judges did.              Most people give Hitzig credit for the dropping of the 4,000       charges but there would have been no Hitzig decision if       Parker and Turmel-Paquette had not started the appeals.       Hitzig was drawn in by the Crown and then the judges       switched the name of the case from Parker & Turmel to       Hitzig. And then J.P. used the Hitzig Bad Exemption for his       No Offence precedent, the guy charged having his charges       dropped because Hitzig proved the MMAR had not worked, Bad       Exemption means No Offence, said the JP Court of Appeal,       (same panel as Hitzig and Parker and Turmel) J.P. got No       Offence when Bad Exemption in 2003 and Mernagh got No       Offence when Bad Exemption in 2010. But proving Bad       Exemption means No Offence worked in Ontario and should work       in Nova Scotia. And that's big big numbers.              All I ask is that as you enjoy the potential "no doctors"       win, keep carping at "no DIN" and "no Permanent Permit for       Permanent Disease" because they'll be the issues you'll be       facing at Judicial Reviews in Fed Court. So build on the       "doctors" win while you have the limelight to help possible       upcoming "DIN" or "Permanents" fights. We need to champion       those future issues while we win "no doctors" from the past.              I'll publish both written summaries so you get an idea of              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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