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   John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All   
   TURMEL: 5 Health Canada Federal Court Me   
   22 Feb 14 03:38:57   
   
   From: johnturmel@yahoo.com   
      
   JCT: I wrote a message to the Applicants in 5 Federal Court   
   actions that went on last year against the glitches in the   
   MMAR for Ray Turmel, Henriette McIntyre, Tony Van Edig and   
   Elisha McDermott.   
      
   Turmel: Time to take the win and wait for the next pot   
      
   For Ray's Feb 18 2014 hearing with Justice Shore:   
      
   RAY   
   T-997-13 Ray's application for renewal with Justice Roy   
   done.   
      
   T-1119-13   
   1) requirement for yearly Property Owner Consent superfluous   
   It's moot. They'll get away with the unmentioned Property   
   Owner's consent as a delay technique except for what we   
   write about what they did.   
      
   2) S.65 superfluous   
   Since there is a destruct order in the MMPR, we could keep   
   going on that fight.   
      
   T-1207-13 Application to store at new address   
   1) exemption to store supply at 6 Des Noisetiers,   
   Fixed so that's now moot though delay arguable.   
      
   2) resubmission of data in the not amended form superfluous   
   This is now moot.   
      
   3) yearly Property Owner Consent superfluous   
   Moot.   
      
   4) S.65 of the MMAR is a superfluous   
   Not quite moot but challenged elsewhere.   
      
   HENRIETTE   
   T-1118-13   
   1) a) exemption to use post-dated ATP and PUPL   
      
   2) Applicant's ATP and PUPL re-processed under pre-June 19   
   Almost moot and useless since they all expire now anyway.   
      
   TONY VAN EDIG   
   T-1271-13   
   1) to allow to new dosage right away   
   Moot.   
      
   2) declaring the non-instantaneous MMAR invalid.   
   Moot.   
      
   I got a letter from the Chief Justice asking for   
   representations about status revue. Looks like it would be   
   best if you could ask the Court to include Tony and   
   Henriette on Feb 18 because we may as well end it all.   
      
   T-1308-13   
   ELISHA MCDERMOTT 780-809-2236   
   Crown: Jaxine.Oltean@Justice.gc.ca 780-495-7324   
      
   1) use higher dosage away. same problem as Tony, so may as   
   well call it moot. We got it on record, a great story.   
      
   With the new MMPR you'll be challenging soon, you'll get   
   your licks in at the Destruct Order anyway.   
      
   So there's really nothing left to fight about. Short of us   
   making them hop around and look bad over and over, and make   
   the courts look bad for doing nothing over and over (it'll   
   make a great book to go with the kits though), we can't get   
   any more justice out of them than we got now.   
      
   Time to call it a win for the wins we won and call it a   
   stalemate. Only slim pickings left and we're going after   
   that in the next hand.   
      
   Have the call with Tony and ask him to include Henriette and   
   Elisha on the line in case the AG lawyer can accept the   
   draw.   
      
   Just tell Justice Shore that your legal advisor has advised   
   you all to "be happy with what you've all won and call off   
   the chase" of these particular nasty people. Lots more chase   
   coming up. You know you'll all be back later.   
      
   And your General Sittings day in Ottawa will be Wednesday   
   March 12, same as Halifax and Vancouver Exemptees are going   
   in. Others will have gone in Toronto and Montreal on Tuesday   
   March 11, so many that they won't dare not reserve the   
   decision and that means Wednesday's people all get heard and   
   will all have to be signed off on too. Elisha and others in   
   Alberta will have to book a sitting that week.   
      
   JCT: Then we got a Direction from Justice Shore that the   
   hearing was being put off until June:   
      
   Cossette, Marc   
   Feb 18 at 11:31 AM   
      
   Mr. Ray Turmel,   
      
   The following is a Memo to file entered by one of my   
   colleagues in the above-noted proceeding:   
      
   "As nothing has been received from Mr. Turmel in respect of   
   the provincial Court proceeding in Saint-Jerome, Quebec, the   
   matter does not appear to have been finalized therein as Mr.   
   Turmel has not sent anything to the Federal Court and   
   therefore the matter is not scheduled for any specific date   
   until such finalization of the provincial proceeding will   
   have been made known to the Federal Court with documents or   
   information of a concrete nature that would inform the Court   
   in the regards specified. If anything should be scheduled,   
   it should be scheduled for June with specific knowledge and   
   conclusion as to the provincial Court proceeding in Saint-   
   Jerome in that regard, otherwise the matter is in abeyance   
   until something is heard further or until the Court   
   determines that the file be closed due to inactivity."   
      
   He has indicated that unless letters are received from   
   counsel, the CMC will not be proceeding in these two files   
   on February 18, 2014.   
   ------------------------------   
      
   JCT: I'm not sure how the Quebec charge relates. I'd thought   
   it was the Crown to check with the St. Jerome Crown to   
   provide any such info, maybe misheard. Too bad, a chance was   
   missed to end it all.   
      
   So I wrote to Director General of the Justice Department   
   Civil branch Alan Prefontaine informing him:   
      
   To Marc Cossette FCC Registry, Alain Prefontaine   
   Feb 19 at 7:56 AM   
      
   Re:   
   RAY TURMEL: T-1119-13, T-1207-13   
   HENRIETTE MCINTYRE: T-1118-13   
   TONY VAN EDIG: T-1271-13   
   ELISHA MCDERMOTT: T-1308-13   
      
   Dear Mr. Prefontaine   
      
   It was unfortunate that the Feb 18 2014 hearing before   
   Justice Shore got put off to June because I had all the   
   Applicants ready to join in to end the quest for any further   
   relief that has been now been mooted by the end of the MMAR   
   era and close all the files.   
   Could you inform your staff that all the Applicants are   
   ready to call it off and deal with it accordingly?   
   ------------------------------   
      
   Prefontaine, Alain   
   To: John, Cossette, Marc, Binnie, Max, and Jaxine...   
   Feb 19 at 11:01 AM   
      
   As a courtesy, I am forwarding your email to the solicitors   
   of record for the respondent in the matters you list below,   
   for their information.   
   You are aware that I am not the solicitor of record in any   
   of those matters. Providing me with information related to   
   those application is thus not effective service and does not   
   relieve you from your obligation to comply with the   
   requirements of the Federal Courts Rules.   
   Alain Prefontaine   
   Director General and Senior General Counsel   
   ------------------------------   
      
   JCT: He doesn't like that I put the onus them to ready the   
   Discontinuance forms if they want to call it a stalemate and   
   wants me to do them. Then Max Binnie talks tough:   
      
   Binnie, Max   
   To Me,Oltean, Jaxine,Prefontaine, Alain, and 1 More...   
   Feb 19 at 11:11 AM   
      
   Mr. Turmel:   
   As previously discussed, you do not represent any of the   
   Applicants named below. As a result, you cannot discontinue   
   their applications. The Applicants should communicate their   
   desire to discontinue their applications directly to the   
   Federal Court in writing.   
   Once I'm notified of the discontinuance(s) I will seek   
   instructions from my client regarding whether they intend to   
   seek costs. Regards,   
   Max   
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