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      From: AlanBaggett@volcanomail.com              Taxes without the filing headaches? It's already happening in some countries :       CRA SOTW              Why do you have to tell the Canadian Revenue Agency what they already know?              By Don Pittis, CBC NewsPosted: Mar 23, 2015 7:56 AM ET                     In Finland, if you have a straightforward tax return, you don't have to fill       out any forms at all. Using tax data beamed electronically to the government,       each April, the Finnish tax department sends every taxpayer a completed, or in       their language a "       prepopulated," tax form.              "The Finnish tax authorities have printed a set of prepopulated facts on your       income," says the Nordisk eTax website. "These facts include wages, pensions,       receipts of dividend etc."              Under the Finnish system, you don't even have to respond unless there are       "errors or omissions." Effectively, the government is admitting that it       already knows all your secrets.               Big Brother?              It may sound frighteningly like Big Brother, but the fact is that all modern       governments, including those here in Canada, have access to similar       information. While some parts of government continue to struggle with secure       electronic data (notably, the        health care sector), for the Canada Revenue Agency and tax collectors       worldwide, computerization has been a perfect fit. And largely, the CRA has       worked out the bugs.              Come tax time, T-slips from employers, pension plans, banks, investment income       sources and other government departments are sent directly to you -- many in a       paper form. But according to University of Alberta tax expert Christopher       Sprysak, you aren't        the only one who gets this detailed information about your income and personal       finances.              "The CRA gets the same copy that you do and, in fact, that's uploaded into       their system," says Sprysak.       One of the great advantages of this system, according to Sprysak, is that       unlike fallible humans transferring numbers from paper forms, computers just       don't make transposition mistakes.               Error-free              That's also the reason why the CRA is increasingly encouraging Canadians to       file their returns electronically.              "Because the CRA doesn't re-key the information, there is less chance of       errors," said CRA spokesman Philippe Brideau in an email.              The CRA does put some of its tax forms online, but to file digitally, you have       to use third-party tax software. (Kevin Lamarque/Reuters)              From my first exposure to Basic and Fortran more than 40 years ago, it was       obvious that besides pure math, the things computers did first and best was       the kind of data processing that tax departments live for. And while the CBC       has been chronicling a        decade-long move to electronic filing, Brideau says the process is not yet       finished.              "We are always improving our services to Canadians. When we introduce a new       service, we always look to enhance and improve the experience to taxpayers,"       said Brideau.              A report on the increase in the use of online tax services from the OECD, the       rich country government think-tank, agrees. "Revenue bodies' plans give       primary emphasis to reducing taxpayers' compliance burden, with improved       operational efficiency as a        clear secondary goal," says the report.       Forms still too complex              Transmitting tax information electronically reduces the chance of error when       the tax agency is processing your return, says the CRA.              But some experts in tax filing I spoke to said that, partly because of an       irrational fear of numbers and partly because of an excessively complex tax       system, many Canadians are being left behind by the government's move to       electronic services.              "For anyone who is conversant with the technology and is able to use       tax-preparation programs, a lot of that complexity is solved for them," says       Michael Deturbide, a Dalhousie University professor who studies law and       technology. "But if you're doing        just a paper return, you can understand why the basic simple T1, people take       it to H&R Block now because it's become so complicated."               Tax preparers like Kirby Dickson, right, the head accountant at H&R Block's       Shuter and Yonge St. location in Toronto, will soon be able to pre-populate       tax returns with clients' information received from the CRA. (Evan Mitsui/CBC)              The OECD says one of the ways of reducing the burden on taxpayers is to offer       the kind of services provided by Finland, such as "pre-filling" tax returns.              "Pre-filling has evolved to become a significant strategy for 'transforming'       service delivery in administering the personal income tax in quite a few       countries," says the OECD report. "There are a number of revenue bodies that       now offer a fully automated        end-to-end process, thereby providing significant benefits to their taxpayers."              And according to Brideau, the CRA is already moving in that direction.              New system will auto-populate return              "The new Tax Data Delivery service marks the beginning of our effort to       auto-populate certain tax return fields to ease Canadians' burden with filling       out tax forms," said Brideau. "Tax preparers will be able to receive their       client's information        directly into their software."              Vern Krishna wrote the book on Canadian taxes, literally. "It's my favourite       subject," said the author of The Fundamentals of Canadian Income Tax, which       has been in print, with updates, for about 30 years.              Krishna says there is no reason that the CRA could not follow Finland's lead       and eliminate tax filing for millions, maybe even the majority, of Canadians.       But he says the Canadian tax system is still catching up.       "The CRA and its system is frankly pretty backward and not as progressive as       some countries," said Krishna.              "Of course, they have the data and they have the information," he says, "But       they don't use that information in a particularly efficient manner that would       make it easier for the taxpayer."              And Krishna is not optimistic that the Finnish system is coming to Canada any       time soon.              "Let's put it this way, they're not taxpayer-sensitive," says Krishna of the       CRA. "They're more attuned to their own needs and the needs of the       bureaucracy."                     ----------------------------------------------------------       Miss a Tax Tale Miss a lot!       Visit the CRA SOTW Library at http://canada.revenue.agency.angelfire.com              ------------------------------------------------------------       Alan Baggett - http://www.taxcollectorsbible.com/ - Tax Collector's Bible              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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