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   M'I.5'Persecuti on , MI5 Wast e Taxpa ye   
   26 Dec 07 08:44:54   
   
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   MI5 Persecution Update:. Friday 30 April, 1999   
      
   If You Intend To. Reply, Please Read This   
   Please.... keep your response to one. page!. Faxes over a page or two will   
   be deleted without being. read.   
      
   Somewhere. between 0 and 100%   
      
   The last few days. there have been no clear recordable instances of   
   abuse. However, while travelling on the Underground, while. walking around   
   near my home and. going to friends homes, I am constantly troubled by   
   thoughts that those people over there might be about to get at me;. that   
   the couple sitting in the opposite. seats laughing are in fact laughing at   
   me; et cetera,. et cetera.   
      
   A comment by a scientist to the BSE inquiry sticks in. my mind. He   
   described. the possible scale of the epidemic as "between 0% and 100%". It   
   might not be happening, it might. not happen at all, to any discernable   
   degree.... or it might be total. Without. clear recording, which seems to   
   have become impossible the last couple of weeks,. there is no way of   
   knowing whether the harassment really. is continuing, whether we have   
   entered a temporary hiatus, or. whether perhaps it has perhaps stopped for   
   now.   
      
   But for the time being I think there arent. any reasons to dicontinue these   
   faxes. I only re-started them six weeks ago in response to. a resumption of   
   MI5 harassment; and I think. I will need to be more convinced of absence of   
   persecution before. I discontinue my complaints.   
      
   The Newscasters are. still watching   
      
   In the last few. weeks there have been at least a couple of fairly overt   
   instances of "interactive watching" by newscasters. I reported this. in a   
   previous "MI5. Persecution Update".   
      
   These instances are really very rare compared to 1990-91, when. there were   
   many dozens of such occurrences. Undoubtedly the reduction. is due to my   
   practice of videotaping everything I see. Recently I had. the opportunity   
   of showing this years "happenings" (Jon Snow/Nicholas. Witchell) to my   
   psychiatrist, and he. agreed that in both cases the newscasters were   
   expressing merriment without visible cause, and. that objectively it might   
   be possible for my claims to be. true - although of course other people   
   reported similar thoughts to him, and this thinking. is usually a symptom   
   of. illness.   
      
   Read About the MI5 Persecution. on the World Wide Web   
      
   The March. 1998 issue (number 42) of .net Magazine reviews the website   
   describing it as an "excellent site". Since August 11,. 1996 over 50,000   
   people have browsed. this website.   
      
   You are encouraged to. read the web pages which include   
      
   a FAQ (frequently asked questions). section outlining the nature of the   
   persecutors, their methods of harassment through. the media, people at work   
   and among the. general public   
      
   an evidence section, which carries audio and video clips of media. and   
   workplace harassment, rated according to how directly I think. they refer to me   
      
   objective descriptions of the. state security agencies involved   
      
   scanned texts of the complaints I have. made to media and state security   
   agencies. involved   
      
   posts. which have been made to netnews over the last four years on this topic   
      
   Keith Hill MP (Labour - Streatham), my elected. representative, as ever   
   refuses. to help.   
      
   MI5 Waste Taxpayer Millions. on Pointless Hate-Campaign   
      
   Recently I was talking to an independent. observer about the nature and   
   purpose of the perceived campaign of persecution against. me. The person I   
   spoke to, a highly intelligent man, said. he was struck by the utter   
   pointlessness of the perceived campaign against me. He also said. that, if   
   my theories were in fact. true, many people would have to be involved, in   
   the surveillance itself, and in the technical side of. the delivery of   
   information from my home to. TV studios for example, if the "interactive   
   watching" were happening as described. He voiced. these thoughts without   
   any prompting from me; but. both I and other observers had arrived at   
   pretty much the same conclusions, some. years ago.   
      
   I saw a team. of four men at Toronto Airport in 1993   
      
   To carry out the. surveillance alone, full-time, would employ four or five   
   men, or their equivalent in. terms of man-hours. Each man would "work" an   
   eight-hour shift, so you would need. at least three men doing the   
   surveillance, plus a connecting link / manager. An indicator. that this   
   estimate is. correct arrived in 1993, when I was accosted by one of a group   
   of four men at Toronto Airport; he said,. laughing, "if he tries to run   
   away well find him". Plainly these were the men who had. been involved in   
   the intrusive surveillance. of me for the preceding three years.   
      
   On other occasions, I have seen the same man on two or three occasions.. On   
   one such occasion, at Ottawas. Civic Hospital in November 1996; he gave his   
   name to the doctor as "Alan Holdsworth" or some such; my. hearing is not   
   very good sometimes and I am not. sure of the surname, although I am sure   
   "Alan" was. his first name. I saw exactly the same man again in Ottawa, at   
   the airport, in July 1998. Obviously, other people must be. "working" with   
   this person;. he would not be the sole agent employed in this case.   
      
   Usenet readers views on the Cost. to MI5 of Running the Campaign   
      
   Here's what a couple of other people on internet newsgroups /. Usenet   
   (uk.misc) had to say. regarding the cost of running such an operation...   
      
   PO: >Have some sense, grow up and smell reality. What you. are talking about   
   PO: >would take. loads of planning, tens of thousands of pounds and lots of   
   PO:. >people involved in the planning, execution and maintenance of it. You   
   PO: >must have a very high opinion. of yourself to think you are worth it.   
      
   and......   
      
   PM: >But why? And why you? Do you realize how much it. would cost to keep   
   PM:. >one person under continuous surveillance for five years? Think about   
   PM: >all the man/hours.. Say they _just_ allocated a two man team and a   
   PM: >supervisor. OK., Supervisor's salary, say, #30,000 a year.. Two men,   
   PM: >#20,000 a year each. But they'd need to. work in shifts -- so it would   
   PM: >be six men at #20,000 (which with. on-costs would work out at more   
   like   
   PM: >#30,000 to the. employer.)   
   PM:. >   
   PM: >So, we're talking #30,000 x 6. #180,000. plus say,. #40,000 for the   
   PM: >supervisor. #220,000. Then you've got the hardware. involved. And   
   PM: >any transcription that needs doing. You don't think. the 'Big Boss'   
   PM: >would listen. to hours and hours of tapes, do you.   
   PM:. >   
   PM: >So, all in all, you couldn't actually do the job for much. less than   
   PM: >a quarter million. a year. Over five years. What are you doing that makes   
   PM: >it worth the while of the state to. spend over one and a quarter million   
   PM: >on. you?   
      
   Those are pretty much the sort of. calculations that went through my head   
   once I stopped to consider what it must be costing them. to run this   
   operation. At the very least,. a quarter million a year - and probably much   
      
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