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   Is This Supposed To Be A Refutation? - L   
   09 Dec 25 18:55:38   
   
   XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.trump, alt.politics.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican   
   From: katt@gmail.com   
      
   On Tue, 09 Dec 2025 15:57:39 +0000,  Lee says...   
      
   > > > Trump says he'll sign an executive order   
   > > > restricting states' ability to regulate AI   
   > > > Dec 8   
   > >   
   > > Has any President ever signed into law, a national law, something that   
   would   
   > > prohibit states from passing their own laws on the subject?   
      
   > Trump administration moves to overrule   
   > state laws protecting credit reports   
   > from medical debt   
      
   Is this a refutation of some sort, because I do not remember ever saying Trump   
   is going against state(s) on their rights?   
      
   I'm simply pointing out that if you're going to whine about Trump, why don't   
   you whine about other Presidents?   
      
   Oh... and tell us... WHERE is it written, that the states have the absolute   
   right to govern, regarding ALL rules and laws?   
      
   Because Trump SAID he was for state's rights? Does than mean that he thinks   
   ALL states have the absolute right to see fit how THEY want to rule on laws?   
      
   Did he say that?   
      
   Nope.   
      
   Just because he supports state's rights in various contexts, such as education   
   and disaster aid, does NOT mean he said ANYTHING about states having the   
   absolute power to make their own laws.   
      
   (more)   
      
   Trump has told states more often than not, to use their best judgment on   
   certain issues and make regulation, rather than having the Feds make the   
   decisions for them.   
      
   (see companion post)   
      
   Examples:   
      
   Withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement, which gave states more freedom   
   to set their own climate policies.   
      
   Repealing the Clean Power Plan, allowing states to create their own plans to   
   reduce greenhouse gas emissions.   
      
   Ending the Obama-era guidelines for transgender students, giving states the   
   authority to decide on bathroom access for transgender students.   
      
      
   It is EASILY argued that some states impose regulations that negatively affect   
   others. The Federal government can make claims that federal intervention is   
   necessary to maintain a balance and protect states from overreach by others.   
      
   Rebuttal?   
      
   Why did you never whine about these, chicken shit?   
      
   The Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act of 1965, signed into law by   
   President Lyndon B. Johnson, prohibited states from regulating cigarette   
   labeling and advertising.   
      
   The Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA), signed into law   
   by President Gerald Ford, preempted state laws that relate to employee benefit   
   plans.   
      
   The Federal Meat Inspection Act of 1906, signed into law by President Theodore   
   Roosevelt, prohibited states from regulating meat inspection.   
      
   The Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, signed into law by President Jimmy   
   Carter, completely preempted state laws regulating airline routes, rates, and   
   services.   
      
   The Federal Communications Act of 1934, signed into law by President Franklin   
   D. Roosevelt, which gave the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) broad   
   authority to regulate interstate and foreign communications, effectively   
   preempting state laws.   
      
   =====   
      
   So... when Bill Clinton did this... it was OK?   
      
   One law for all 50 states.   
      
   One notable instance is the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) of 1996. President   
   Bill Clinton signed DOMA into law on September 21,1996.   
      
   The law defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman and prohibited   
   federal recognition of same-sex marriages.   
      
   Section 3 of DOMA, also known as the "federal definition of marriage," stated   
   that for federal purposes, marriage would be defined as a legal union between   
   one man and one woman.   
      
   =====   
      
   Another notable instance is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act   
   (ACA), also known as Obamacare, which President Barack Obama signed into law   
   on March 23,2010.   
      
   The ACA included a provision, known as the 'minimum coverage provision" or the   
   "individual mandate," which required individuals to purchase health insurance   
   or face a penalty.   
      
   The ACA ALSO INCLUDED A PROVISION THAT PROHIBITED STATES FROM PASSING THEIR   
   OWN LAWS that would exempt residents from the individual mandate.   
      
   Another example is the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection   
   Act of 2010   
      
   The Dodd-Frank Act preempted state laws regarding some consumer financial   
   products.   
      
   =====   
      
   One notable instance is the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which was   
   signed into law by President Joe Biden on November 15,2021.   
      
   The law includes a provision that preempts state laws regulating the use of   
   certain types of infrastructure, such as electric vehicle charging stations.   
      
   However, more broadly, the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 allows states to   
   regulate insurance but also allows Congress to preempt state laws.   
      
   Regarding complete preemption of state laws, one example is:   
      
   The Federal Law on Safe Harbor for Federal Student Loan Discharges   
      
   However, a more straightforward example would be:   
      
   The Federal Preemption under the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) of 1976   
      
   TSCA preempts state laws on chemical safety.   
      
   Another example:   
      
   The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) of 1938   
      
   FLSA sets minimum wage and overtime requirements and preempts state laws.   
      
   These laws effectively limit or prohibit states from passing their own laws on   
   certain subjects.   
      
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   "Trump Derangement Syndrome" Is a Real Mental Condition   
      
   All you need to know about "Trump Derangement Syndrome," or TDS.   
      
   "Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has   
   been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of Donald Trump, to the   
   point at which they will abandon all logic and reason."   
      
   Justin Raimondo, the editorial director of Antiwar.com, wrote a piece in the   
   Los Angeles Times in 2016 that broke TDS down into three distinct phases or   
   stages:   
      
   "In the first stage of the disease, victims lose all sense of proportion. The   
   president-elect's every tweet provokes a firestorm, as if 140 characters were   
   all it took to change the world."   
      
   "The mid-level stages of TDS have a profound effect on the victim's   
   vocabulary: Sufferers speak a distinctive language consisting solely of   
   hyperbole."   
      
   "As TDS progresses, the afflicted lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from   
   reality."   
      
   The Point here is simple: TDS is, in the eyes of its adherents, the knee-jerk   
      
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