XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.democrats   
   From: pothead@snakebite.com   
      
   On 2026-01-13, AlleyCat  wrote:   
   >   
   > This is another great example of the Post Hoc Fallacy (assuming because one   
   > thing happened after another, the first thing caused the second).   
   >   
   > When a troll, like Lee, throws a list like this at you, he's hoping you won't   
   > check the specific "why" behind each closure. Most of these events were set   
   in   
   > motion long before 2025 or were caused by internal corporate restructuring   
   > that has nothing to do with current tariffs.   
   >   
   > Here is the breakdown of the logic for these specific cases.   
   >   
   > 1. The "Why" Behind the Layoffs   
   >   
   > I have looked into the specific reasons for several of the examples you   
   > provided. Notice how they aren't about tariffs:   
   >   
   > BlueOval SK (Kentucky/Tennessee): This is a restructuring by Ford. They are   
   > pivoting away from electric vehicles (EVs) because consumer demand was lower   
   > than they projected back in 2021-2022. They are actually planning to rehire   
   > 2,100 people later after they retool the plant for battery storage-a   
   long-term   
   > corporate pivot.   
   >   
   > Alabama Plant (Renfro Brands): The Fort Payne plant that shut down after 60   
   > years was actually announced in October 2024. The company (Renfro) stated   
   they   
   > were moving production to Tennessee and offshore to "adjust their supply   
   > chain." This was a decision made before the 2024 election even happened.   
   >   
   > Missouri Food Companies (General Mills): These closures were part of a   
   'multi-   
   > year supply chain restructuring" announced in late 2024/early 2025. They are   
   > closing older facilities to consolidate into newer, more efficient ones to   
   > save $100 million.   
   >   
   > Kansas City Transportation (Railcrew Xpress): This was triggered by contract   
   > cancellations and mergers in the rail industry (like the Union Pacific and   
   > Norfolk Southern merger), not import taxes.   
   >   
   > 2. Identifying the "Idiotic Logic"   
   >   
   > The troll is using a Gish Gallop. This is a tactic where someone overwhelms   
   > you with a 'mountain" of examples so you don't have time to debunk each one.   
   >   
   > Their logic is: "Look at all this bad news! It's happening now, so it must be   
   > the President's fault."   
   >   
   > The Rebuttal Logic:   
   >   
   > Lag Time: Major plant closures take 12-24 months of planning. A company   
   > doesn't decide to shut a 60-year-old plant on Jan 1st because of a tariff   
   that   
   > started in January.   
   >   
   > Specific Causality: If tariffs were the cause, the companies would state that   
   > in their SEC filings or WARN notices to protect their stock price. Instead,   
   > they are citing "EV demand," 'mergers," and "restructuring."   
   >   
   > One Baby Step at a Time   
   >   
   > Since we are following the muffin rule:   
   >   
   > Step 1: Would you like me to give you a "Counter-List" that explains the   
   > actual reason for each of those specific layoffs so you can post them one by   
   > one?   
      
   Those pesky details always upset the liberals.   
   I wonder what Lee had to say about Biden canceling the Keystone pipeline on day   
   one.   
   I believe that was 11,000 jobs in total.   
      
      
      
   --   
   pothead   
      
   “Liberals seem to assume that, if you don’t believe in their particular   
   political solutions, then you don’t really care about   
   the people that they claim to want to help.”   
      
   ― Thomas Sowell   
      
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