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   XPost: uk.politics.guns, aus.politics.guns, aus.politics   
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   From: haggisz@hotmail.com   
      
   bringyagrogalong wrote:   
   > RD Sandman  wrote:   
   >> bringyagrogalong  wrote:   
   >>> RD Sandman  wrote:   
   >>>> bringyagrogalong  wrote:   
   >>>>> RD Sandman  wrote:   
   >>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>  From a global POV they are gun deaths inflicted on Americans by   
   >>>>>>> Americans .   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> That more Americans died at the hands of their fellow Americans   
   >>>>>>> that in all the wars they fought in from the Revolutionary War   
   >>>>>>> to to day is the startling point made by Shields.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> Startling to whom?   
   >>   
   >>>>> Startling to anyone with functioning neurones.   
   >>   
   >>>> We are aware of those numbers, you ignorant fuck.   
   >>   
   >>> Yet you are still against gun control.   
   >>   
   >>> Have you got a screw loose?   
   >>   
   >> I don't think guns are the problem.  They are a tool.  They do nothing on   
   >> their own.  What needs to be addressed are things I have mentioned   
   >> several times in here.......gang culture, employment and educational   
   >> opportunities in the dense urban areas, single parent homes with absentee   
   >> fathers, etc..  Start coming up with suggestions on the real problems and   
   >> you be surprized at how much help you get.  Keep blaming guns and trying   
   >> to put the controls on the people who aren't the problem and you won't   
   >> get much from our side.   
   >   
   > I agree that guns are a tool. The problem is with tools who have   
   > access to them.   
   >   
   > The Second Amendment appreciated that fact, so limited the right to   
   > bear arms to an organised militia not individuals.   
   >   
   > This is the original text;   
   >   
   > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free   
   > State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be   
   > infringed".   
   >   
   > I doubt that the Founding Fathers ever envisaged that more Americans   
   > would be killed by fellow Americans then by all their enemies.   
   >   
   > To say, as you do, that guns do nothing on their own is 100% correct,   
   > hence the need to *keep them on their own* and away from potential   
   > psychopaths.   
   >   
   > The problems you mentioned, such as gang culture, unemployment, lack   
   > of educational opportunities, single parent homes, will always be with   
   > us...as will poverty and mental health issues. So nothings going to   
   > change.   
   >   
   > The only way to end the slaughter is through gun control.   
      
      
      
   Absolute rot, removing guns will not change mans inhumanity to man as   
   they are not the cause of mans inhumanity or criminality .   
   Since the begining of time, even before guns were invented man has found   
   a reason and weapons to harm others and untill we concentrate on the   
   causes and reasons we do what we do things will not change .   
   No ammount of  anti gun rhetoric will have any effect,education and   
   concentrating on and rectifying the causes of crime can.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)