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   On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:22:06 +1000, "Spartan613"   
    wrote:   
      
   >"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"  wrote in message   
   >news:m7pcm8taps0al0ecid412gsro1ago2gn2g@4ax.com...   
   >> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:41:05 +1000, "Spartan613"   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:qpkcm8942o7iataggs0v8jg70g3aour1c0@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:57:08 +1000, "Spartan613"   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:qdj7m81d9gfn8trgtpmpb114je2hh0a2hv@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:10:35 +1000, "Spartan613"    
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>news:v4e7m89122u7u38ujnsrorbme1ssn435gq@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:10:20 +1000, "Spartan613"   
   >>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>"Dechucka"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>news:Zs2dnYnnuZw1rP_MnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> "Spartan613"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>> news:d1q8t.424$EY1.33@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>> news:JZKdnUQqB7XogP_MnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> "Scout"  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> news:kjt5u9$out$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> "bringyagrogalong"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:b2538c35-7ef7-4d01-83ed-c6d86cf39c81@y12g2000   
   qb.googlegroups.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringyagrogalong  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Klaus Schadenfreude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Who drives the tank?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The driver, doofus.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > A driver in an impregnable environment surrounded by an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > armed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > crew.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Impregnable?"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep! Certainly as far as a .22 is concerned.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? A .22 won't go through an open hatch or hit a member of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> tank crew outside of the tank?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you suggesting the crew is going to spend their whole   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> enlistment   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> inside that tank?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Going to get pretty rip in there after about 3 days.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know but with armour vehicles in say Afghanistan the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> crews   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> don't   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be taken out by 22s that often. Maybe because they go   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> back   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> secure base or bivouac   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to contribute when you have a clue.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> the argument is to difficult for you to argue isn't it   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>To the contrary, I've been in this caper on and off since 1979.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>What have you ever done?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It wouldn't matter if you were General Patton, you do NOT take out   
   >>>>>>>> Abrams tanks with .22 pistols.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Not the tanks you don't. No.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Where did anyone say they were going to destroy a tank with a .22?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Memory problems?   
   >>>>>> ozarkheart boasted he could take out an Abrams tank with a .22 pistol.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>You can't destroy a tank that way. The crew, however.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> As modern Abraham tanks are totally sealed with remote weapons systems   
   >>>>>> and video display  I guess we are back to murdering off-duty tank   
   >>>>>> drivers relaxing in a bar are we?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Tank crews unbutton the hatches most of the time, unless they're   
   >>>>>actually   
   >>>>>under attack. It's just easier to maintain situational awareness that   
   >>>>>way.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Bullshit.   
   >>>   
   >>>What's you experience in tanks? What unit?   
   >>>   
   >>>> All the situational awareness need is totally electronic   
   >>>   
   >>>And they work ALL the time and cover EVERY angle too.   
   >>>   
   >>>>>You've never been an AFV crewman, have you?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Have you ever even been in a tank?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Clearly you know absolutely NOTHING about an Abrams tank.   
   >>>   
   >>>What unit were you in?   
   >>   
   >> Save your ad hominems and macho reminiscences, they have no bearing on   
   >> the inventors and designers of the situational awareness and automated   
   >> defense systems in place on a modern tank.   
   >   
   >In other words, you're just a flogbag who knows fuck-all and likes to   
   >impress yourself with your copy and paste skills.   
   >   
   >That about sum it up?   
      
   I repeat, save your ad hominems and macho reminiscences, they have no   
   bearing on  the inventors and designers of the situational awareness   
   and automated defense systems in place on a modern tank.   
      
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