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"wy" wrote in message
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> On 12 Apr, 22:51, "Scout"
> wrote:
>> "Sid9" wrote in message
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>> > "Wayne" wrote in message
>> >news:kka8hq$t31$1@dont-email.me...
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>> >> "FirstPost" wrote in message
>> >>news:ir1hm85nj70s2gg4asbci8nkfis6c6cgpv@4ax.com...
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>> >> On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:21:44 -0500, David Hartung
>> >> wrote:
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>> >>>On 04/12/2013 11:11 AM, Wayne wrote:
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>> >>>> "David Hartung" wrote in message
>> >>>>news:W_ydnViZr5r-rfXMnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com...
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>> >>>> On 04/12/2013 10:46 AM, FirstPost wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:17:34 -0400, "Scout"
>> >>>>> wrote:
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>> >>>>>> "deep" wrote in message
>> >>>>>>news:18gem8dakvucu3ohfuu4c2rvia5sb3ra1g@4ax.com...
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:27:15 -0500, FirstPost
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
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>> >>>>>>>>>> Simple math. One gun with six shots would kill 6 kids. One
>> >>>>>>>>>> gun
>> >>>>>>>>>> with
>> >>>>>>>>>> 30 shots would kill 30 kids. Boy, you're stupid.
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>> >>>>>>>>> Which is not proof. How about providing some of this
>> >>>>>>>>> documentation
>> >>>>>>>>> Sud
>> >>>>>>>>> says you post.
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>> >>>>>>>> One gun with 4 10 round clips can kill 40 kids as it takes under
>> >>>>>>>> 2
>> >>>>>>>> seconds to eject a clip, insert a loaded one and immediately
>> >>>>>>>> begin
>> >>>>>>>> firing again without even having to recock the weapon.
>> >>>>>>>> Boy, wy really is stupid.
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>> >>>>>>> Well, not exactly, so I guess it's you that's stupid. The slide
>> >>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>> be locked back and you have to actuate the slide release lever so
>> >>>>>>> effectively it's the same amount of movement. And it's during
>> >>>>>>> reloads
>> >>>>>>> when people can get away, take cover, or somebody tackles them.
>> >>>>>>> Or
>> >>>>>>> the shooter can drop his magazine even. Most people are super
>> >>>>>>> fast
>> >>>>>>> speed shooting heros like you. Matter of fact, most spree
>> >>>>>>> shooters
>> >>>>>>> are hardly trained at all.
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>> >>>>>> And yet, you claim that it takes tons of training to be able to
>> >>>>>> take
>> >>>>>> out a
>> >>>>>> spree shooter.
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>> >>>>> I take my gun out and practice maybe once a year.
>> >>>>> Ejecting a clip is a matter of pushing a button with your thumb on
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> side of the gun and the clip pops out. Slappinng a new clip in
>> >>>>> takes
>> >>>>> about as long regardless of experience. The slide on the gun
>> >>>>> re-engages with the flick of another small lever after the clip is
>> >>>>> inserted and then it is just amattter of squeexing the trigger.
>> >>>>> Taught my nephew how to to exactly that at the age of 14.
>> >>>>> Took him all of 5 minutes to become proficient at it.
>> >>>>> Until I bought my S&W 4006 back in 97 I had never used a semi auto
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>> my life. Always used a revolver before.
>> >>>>> But then leave to a liberal to make something as simple as wiping
>> >>>>> your
>> >>>>> ass out to be some complex high skill task.
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>> >>>> # It has been many years since I last fired an M16, but the process
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> # about the same. The bolt locks open when the last round is fired
>> >>>> out
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> # a clip. One button to drop the magazine out, slap another one in,
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> # push another button to release the bolt, which chambers the next
>> >>>> round
>> >>>> # and cocks the weapon.
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>> >>>> # It would seem that most of our liberal brethren on this forum have
>> >>>> no
>> >>>> # idea how a weapon actually works.
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>> >>>> Quite true. The libtards operate on emotion only.
>> >>>> And IMHO, a handgun magazine is easier to swap than a rifle.
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>> >>>> Also if a Sandy Hook type of incident is considered, the perp could
>> >>>> have
>> >>>> just blocked the door while taking a minute to swap magazines.
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>> >>>Once again the question becomes, what do our elected leaders truly
>> >>>think
>> >>>they will accomplish by throwing up additional roadblocks in front of
>> >>>citizens who wish to own weapons?
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>> >>>A related question, how can our fellow citizens be so blind that they
>> >>>cannot see that restricting the rights of law abiding citizens does
>> >>>not
>> >>>make them safer from criminals?
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>> >> # One of the Sandy Hook parents tried to make that exact point to the
>> >> # government. More gun laws only make things more complicated and
>> >> # difficult for those of us who obey laws. All the laws in the world
>> >> # aren't going to keep criminals from obtaining and using illegal
>> >> # weapons. It's what makes them criminals, duh.
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>> >> And the people who will follow those insane laws are not the people
>> >> who
>> >> are the problem.
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>> > We don't have a gun law that does not have the fingerprint of an NRA
>> > loophole.
>> > They are designed to be ineffective.
>> > The new proposed law is ineffective.
>> > Congress should not waste time on it.
>> > Obama should not sign it.
>> > It's bullshit
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>> So basically what you're telling me is that those opposed to guns can't
>> craft reasonable legislation that fulfills their state objectives without
>> producing objectionable violations of innocent people's rights.
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> What objectionable violations?
How about the back door registration?
How about attempting to control not only intrastate commerce, but personal
transactions that aren't even commerce?
How about the very fact that such a measure would be objectionable if
suggested for Bibles, newspapers, or even to watch TV.
If such a step wouldn't be accepted if applied to the 1st Amendment, why do
you think doing it to the 2nd should be seen as acceptable?
> You'd still be able to own a gun.
Really?
But will it be the gun I want?
What if I want to own one of the multitude of so called "assault weapons"?
Will I be able to go out an buy a new one?
I suppose if I ban the publication of new newspapers, that's ok because
you'll still be able to own books.
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