XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.usa.constitution.gun-rights,   
   talk.politics.guns   
   From: Dev@null.net   
      
   On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 18:57:15 -0500, David Hartung    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 04/13/2013 05:32 PM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:57:57 -0500, David Hartung    
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   >>> On 04/12/2013 03:04 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:40:26 -0400, "Sid9"    
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   >>>>> "FirstPost"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:8vdem8914ekqmi4teocd0fdn7n1lpkfoqq@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:09:51 -0500, David Hartung    
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   >>>>>>> On 04/11/2013 05:04 PM, wy wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 11 Apr, 17:56, David Hartung  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 04/11/2013 03:27 PM, Sid9 wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>> news:4bednRQ-eqZBnvrMnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 04/11/2013 01:24 PM, Sid9 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> news:OPWdnTWvAtVvYPvMnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@giganews.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/11/2013 01:13 PM, Sid9 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:QuedndquSM7ZZPvMnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@giganews.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senator Roger Wicker(R MS) voted in favor of cloture today,   
   which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move the unconstitutional and unconscionable gun bill forward   
   to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> floor   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate. Should this bill become law, more innocent people will   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> die   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ability of law abiding citizens to defend themselves will   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further curtailed.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to worry.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The proposed legislation is crap.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's loaded with NRA loopholes and escape clauses.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing effective will come out of this congress   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> This from the man who would prefer to see the American Citizen   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> completely   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> disarmed.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Not true.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Or correctly, you lie.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I have never advocated the total removal of arms from America.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It can't be done.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> No laws or regulations can do that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> That's an NRA boogie man.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> There are an estimated 300,000,000 firearms in the USA.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> There are 12 million undocumented aliens in the USA.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> We can't find either.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> What we need is some non-IRA sanity in firearm regulation.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> .....but 20 dead children and six dead adults are not enough yet   
   to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> treat   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> this issue rationally   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You speak of rationality, yet you have yet to advance a single   
   >>>>>>>>>>> rational explanation of how the laws currently under consideration   
   >>>>>>>>>>> will prevent another Sandy Hook.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> 1. much smaller magazines would have saved lives in allowing some of   
   >>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>> victims to escape.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Really? You can support this with objective documentation?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Simple math.  One gun with six shots would kill 6 kids.  One gun with   
   >>>>>>>> 30 shots would kill 30 kids.  Boy, you're stupid.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Which is not proof. How about providing some of this documentation Sud   
   >>>>>>> says you post.   
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   >>>>>> One gun with 4 10 round clips can kill 40 kids as it takes under 2   
   >>>>>> seconds to eject a clip, insert a loaded one and immediately begin   
   >>>>>> firing again without even having to recock the weapon.   
   >>>>>> Boy, wy really is stupid.   
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   >>>>> Maybe true in practice firings.   
   >>>>> More likely not true in the emotional high of killing children and their   
   >>>>> teachers.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> There's no hope with a large magazine.   
   >>>>> There' a slight chance to escape when reloading is required   
   >>>>> Some chance is better than no chance for the victims   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Well said.   
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   >>>>   
   >>>> In the time it took Adam Lanza to reload, 11 children escaped.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/02/1198740/-In-the-ti   
   e-it-took-Adam-Lanza-to-reload-11-children-escaped   
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   >>>>    "We have learned that in the time it took him to reload in one of the   
   >>>> classrooms, 11 children were able to escape.   
   >>>   
   >>>  From whom did Mr. Hockley learn this? From where I sit, this claim does   
   >>> not pass the smell test.   
   >>   
   >> The children who escaped of course.   
   >   
   >Source?   
      
   They are the source, it's what they told the investigators.   
      
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