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   From: Dev@null.net   
      
   On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:43:21 -0500, ozarkheart@yahoo.com wrote:   
      
   >On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:40:50 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:25:29 -0500, ozarkheart@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:00:21 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall   
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:31:36 -0500, ozarkheart@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:11:47 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall   
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:27:37 -0500, ozarkheart@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 03:53:50 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall   
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 05:18:21 -0500, ozarkheart@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 23:34:11 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall   
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:13:45 +1000, "Spartan613"    
   >>>>>>>>>>wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>"Dechucka"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>news:x-OdnWkvRtgXrf_MnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@westnet.com.au...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> "Spartan613"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> news:95q8t.380$e66.153@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:88KdnUa-icl1v__MnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Spartan613"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:xmp8t.416$EY1.277@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:OuOdnRNnoOyNdfzMnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "RD Sandman"  wrote in   
   message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA19B6AD3F5063hopewell@216.196.121.131...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:laadnagdVffILv3MnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a moronic comment and we all know it. On that   
   basis you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need a gun a cricket bat will do or a piece of fruit (   
   see Monty   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Python)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sooner or later, those in fortified positions have to come   
   out.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in tanks?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You think tank operators are welded in place?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think they pack a picnic and sit around in the daisies   
   having   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lunch by themselves?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're a fucking idiot. (We knew that already, of course).   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tank crews get out of their tanks OUTSIDE fortified positions   
   when the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need arises.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That usually happens not long after the sun goes down and they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harbour-up for the night and start slinging hammocks off the   
   vehicles,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brew up and make an evening meal .   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh you mean in a protected bivouac   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Define "protected", dickhead.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI, we don't put up bullet proof screens between the vehicles.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> and you don't just park your tanks and have a kip without a   
   defensive   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> perimeter.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>No.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Come on even the humble foot soldier has a defensive perimeter   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>And when they make them utterly impregnable, the kevlar makers will   
   be out   
   >>>>>>>>>>>of business.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Until then.....   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dickhead, obviously you've lived in the field with a tank   
   Troop.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why the fuck do you insist on making comments on things you   
   clearly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know fuck-all about?!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were out protecting the tank crews were you?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I was a member of an AFV crew. Clown.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> so when you were bunkering down you all put your hammocks out and   
   went to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> sleep?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Why the fuck else would anyone harbour-up and set up their gonk   
   gear?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you insist of commenting on things you know fuck-all   
   about?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems you have pathological condition for it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe when they were outside their vehicles? Did you feel in   
   danger from   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a civilian with a 22 pistol or did you take precautions   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> The danger can come from any number of things.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> the .22 is what we are discussing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>The .22 can be a dangerous weapon in the right hands.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Dangerous to an Abrams tank?   
   >>>>>>>>>>LOL!   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Indeed. How does that tank work with a dead crew?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>If they weren't, no military forces would employ them.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>No military employs .22 pistols to attack Abraham tanks, the idea is   
   >>>>>>>>>>insane.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>It is - but that isn't what I am talking about. Do pay attention.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>What seems to be your problem - as well as upchucks - is focusing on   
   >>>>>>>>>the tank. It is a lump of metal without a crew.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>And a .22 (and I am not specifying a pistol) is very effective against   
   >>>>>>>>>a person.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Get the idea?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Yes you are back to murdering off duty tank drivers   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>"Murdering"? Killing an off duty ebemy is "murder"?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>In the US, the scenario you present,the US military arm of the   
   >>>>>>Government are not "enemies" except to domestic terrorists .   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>One man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighter - it all depends   
   >>>>>on one's point of view.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Maybe you will get plenty of time to discuss the issue at Gitmo,   
   >>>>assuming your ass isn't droned.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>Nonetheless, a tank with out a crew is a lump of metal.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Maybe in WW1 and to some extent WW2.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Military technology has advanced a little since then.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>And a crew member cn be killed with a .22. Am I wrong?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>You can go postal in a bar murdering off duty military, but it has no   
   >>>>effect whatsoever on an Abrams Tank Commander completing his mission.   
   >>>   
   >>>You seem a bit smarter than upchuck - which isn't saying much - and   
   >>>should understand what I have said. If you think all the modern   
   >>>technology will save someone, then you need to recalibrate.   
   >>   
   >>An Abrams tank can not be stopped with a .22 pistol in Afghanistan or   
   >>anywhere else in the world.   
   >   
   >Kill the crew - the tank stops. And that is anywhere in the world.   
      
   But you can't kill the crew with your pistol when they are in an   
   Abrams tank.   
      
      
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