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From: wy_@myself.com
On 14 Apr, 16:04, RD Sandman
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> wy wrote innews:88e5a6ad-e1ec-4365-8659-0c5d
95ed177@gb2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
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> > On 14 Apr, 12:29, RD Sandman
> > wrote:
> >> wy wrote
> >> innews:8ac7ca0d-4fb3-476f-85bd-415afec5a910@r7
> > g2000vbw.googlegroups.com:
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> >> > On 13 Apr, 18:50, "Scout"
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> "wy" wrote in message
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> >> >>news:5d978267-11aa-41d3-ab47-8b86c12119b4@c7g2000vbe.googlegroups.co
> >> >>m.
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> >> >> > On 13 Apr, 18:17, David Hartung wrote:
> >> >> >> On 04/13/2013 04:36 PM, wy wrote:
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> >> >> >> > On 13 Apr, 17:05, RD Sandman
> >> >> >> > wrote:
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> >> >> >> >>> In other words, you don't need a hi cap magazine for
> >> >> >> >>> anything.
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> >> >> >> >> So? What does need have to do with it? Do you need a V-8 or
> >> >> >> >> a
> >> > V-6 in
> >> >> >> >> your car. Do you even need a 4?
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> >> >> >> > When it comes to killing, need has everything to do with it?
> >> >> >> > How
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> >> >> >> > times and how quickly do you *need* to kill?
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> >> >> >> Look at the wording of the Second Amendment, and then go back a
> >> >> >> learn what the founders had to say about it. The purpose of an
> >> >> >> armed citizen
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> >> >> >> is to protect the country from invaders, and if necessary, from
> >> >> >> the government itself. That being the purpose, does it not make
> >> >> >> sense that we arm ourselves with the expectation of facing
> >> >> >> soldiers who will be armed with automatic weapons and other
> >> >> >> nasty little surprises? IN such
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> >> >> >> scenario, limiting the size of clips, could mean more dead
> >> >> >> citizens.
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> >> >> > America had a tiny army in the late 1700s, too tiny to cover the
> >> >> > territory of the time. It wasn't even a full-fledged nation yet
> >> >> > in the ordinary sense. The second amendment gave the right to
> >> >> > bear arms for a militia to do the job of what the army couldn't
> >> >> > do at the time. The militias were a deputized form of the army.
> >> >> > That's what the second amendment is all about. It wasn't about
> >> >> > giving every Joe Blow his gun just for the hell of it.
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> >> >> No, actually protecting the right of every Joe Blow to have his
> >> >> guns is exactly the purpose of the 2nd.
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> >> >> So that when the militia was needed Joe Blow could show up armed
> >> >> and able
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> >> >> perform his function in the militia.
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> >> > Right. Within the function of a militia, not outside of it. The
> >> > second amendment stipulates "militia," not one's backyard.
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> >> It states, "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms....".
> >> It does not say the right of the people while they are in the
> >> militia or the right of the militia or the right of the people while
> >> running to join the militia.
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> > It also states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the
> > security of a free State," which you keep conveniently ignoring as
> > being the first part of the same sentence that completes a single
> > thought.
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> No, I don't ignore it. The free state and soveriegnty which it refers to
> are the several states and their militias. Consider what the anti
> federalists feared......a standing army or select militia overriding the
> sovereignty of the states while an overreaching central government denies
> the states their militias by neglecting them under Article I.
All the more reason why right to bear arms was in reference to a
militia, not to shooting possum in one's backyard.
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> --
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> Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,
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> And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.
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> Sleep well, tonight.....
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> RD (The Sandman)
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