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   From: wy_@myself.com   
      
   On 14 Apr, 19:08, RD Sandman    
   wrote:   
   > wy  wrote in news:1c4a7b97-8e85-4f6e-ab4f-2e462ca50ce4   
   > @a6g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:   
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   > > On 14 Apr, 17:09, Wayne  wrote:   
   > >> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT), wy  wrote:   
   > >> > On 14 Apr, 12:29, RD Sandman    
   > >> > wrote:   
   > >> > > wy  wrote   
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   > >> innews:8ac7ca0d-4fb3-476f-85bd-415afec5a910@r7=>   
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   > g2000vbw.googlegroups.> com:   
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   > >> > > > On 13 Apr, 18:50, "Scout"   
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   > >> > > > wrote:   
   > >> > > >> "wy"  wrote in message   
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   > >> >>news:5d978267-11aa-41d3-ab47-8b86c12119b4   
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   > >> > > >> > On 13 Apr, 18:17, David Hartung  wrote:   
   > >> > > >> >> On 04/13/2013 04:36 PM, wy wrote:   
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   > >> > > >> >> > On 13 Apr, 17:05, RD Sandman   
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   > >> > > >> >> > wrote:   
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   > >> > > >> >> >>> In other words, you don't need a hi cap magazine for   
   > >> anything.   
   >   
   > >> > > >> >> >> So? What does need have to do with it? Do you need a V-8   
   > >> or a   
   > >> > > > V-6 in   
   > >> > > >> >> >> your car. Do you even need a 4?   
   >   
   > >> > > >> >> > When it comes to killing, need has everything to do with   
   > >> it?   
   > >> > > >> >> > How   
   > >> > > > many   
   > >> > > >> >> > times and how quickly do you *need* to kill?   
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   > >> > > >> >> Look at the wording of the Second Amendment, and then go   
   > >> back a   
   > >> > > >> >> learn what the founders had to say about it. The purpose of   
   > >> an   
   > >> > > >> >> armed citizen   
   > >> > > > ry   
   > >> > > >> >> is to protect the country from invaders, and if necessary,   
   > >> from   
   > >> > > >> >> the government itself. That being the purpose, does it not   
   > >> make   
   > >> > > >> >> sense that we arm ourselves with the expectation of facing   
   > >> > > >> >> soldiers who will be armed with automatic weapons and other   
   > >> nasty   
   > >> > > >> >> little surprises? IN such   
   > >> > > > a   
   > >> > > >> >> scenario, limiting the size of clips, could mean more dead   
   > >> > > >> >> citizens.   
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   > >> > > >> > America had a tiny army in the late 1700s, too tiny to cover   
   > >> the   
   > >> > > >> > territory of the time. It wasn't even a full-fledged nation   
   > >> yet in   
   > >> > > >> > the ordinary sense. The second amendment gave the right to   
   > >> bear   
   > >> > > >> > arms for a militia to do the job of what the army couldn't   
   > >> do at   
   > >> > > >> > the time. The militias were a deputized form of the army.   
   > >> That's   
   > >> > > >> > what the second amendment is all about. It wasn't about   
   > >> giving   
   > >> > > >> > every Joe Blow his gun just for the hell of it.   
   >   
   > >> > > >> No, actually protecting the right of every Joe Blow to have   
   > >> his guns   
   > >> > > >> is exactly the purpose of the 2nd.   
   >   
   > >> > > >> So that when the militia was needed Joe Blow could show up   
   > >> armed and   
   > >> > > >> able   
   > >> > > > to   
   > >> > > >> perform his function in the militia.   
   >   
   > >> > > > Right. Within the function of a militia, not outside of it.   
   > >> The   
   > >> > > > second amendment stipulates "militia," not one's backyard.   
   >   
   > >> > > It states, "...the right of the people to keep and bear   
   > >> arms....". It   
   > >> > > does not say the right of the people while they are in the   
   > >> militia or the   
   > >> > > right of the militia or the right of the people while running to   
   > >> join the   
   > >> > > militia.   
   > >> > It also states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the   
   > >> > security of a free State," which you keep conveniently ignoring as   
   > >> > being the first part of the same sentence that completes a single   
   > >> > thought.   
   >   
   > >> "A well regulated school system, being necessary for education, the   
   > >> right of the people to read shall not be infringed"   
   >   
   > >> Your logic, if schools are eliminated, or if you don't go to school,   
   > >> you lose your right to read???   
   >   
   > > If there was no school system, there would be no need for people to   
   > > learn to read to justify a system that doesn't exist.  See how it   
   > > works?  If no militia, then no need for people to bear arms.  Get it?   
   >   
   > Nope.  Do you honestly think that the only reason anyone in the world has   
   > a firearm is so they can serve in a militia?  Really......   
      
   You're still not explaining why militia was even included in the   
   second amendment if the amendment is only supposed to be about people   
   having a right to bear arms.  When you can make sense out of that,   
   maybe I'll get it.   
      
      
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   > > The preamble defines the need, the operative clause defines what's   
   > > required to meet the need defined in the preamble.  No preamble, no   
   > > need.  Otherwise, just say what people should have a right to without   
   > > specifying what it's for.  Comprend ?   
   >   
   > Take that up with the people who were writing in the jargon and style of   
   > the time.  I notice you have no problem with the 1A.   
   >   
   > --   
   >   
   > Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,   
   >   
   > And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.   
   >   
   > Sleep well, tonight.....   
   >   
   > RD (The Sandman)   
      
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