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From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net
"wy" wrote in message
news:4b82151b-5209-41aa-a4d7-9226d51e1d37@t5g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> On 14 Apr, 16:04, RD Sandman
> wrote:
>> wy wrote
>> innews:88e5a6ad-e1ec-4365-8659-0c5d295ed177@gb2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
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>> > On 14 Apr, 12:29, RD Sandman
>> > wrote:
>> >> wy wrote
>> >> innews:8ac7ca0d-4fb3-476f-85bd-415afec5a910@r7
>> > g2000vbw.googlegroups.com:
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>> >> > On 13 Apr, 18:50, "Scout"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> "wy" wrote in message
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>> >> >>news:5d978267-11aa-41d3-ab47-8b86c12119b4@c7g2000vbe.googlegroups.co
>> >> >>m.
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>> >> >> > On 13 Apr, 18:17, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 04/13/2013 04:36 PM, wy wrote:
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>> >> >> >> > On 13 Apr, 17:05, RD Sandman
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
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>> >> >> >> >>> In other words, you don't need a hi cap magazine for
>> >> >> >> >>> anything.
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>> >> >> >> >> So? What does need have to do with it? Do you need a V-8 or
>> >> >> >> >> a
>> >> > V-6 in
>> >> >> >> >> your car. Do you even need a 4?
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>> >> >> >> > When it comes to killing, need has everything to do with it?
>> >> >> >> > How
>> >> > many
>> >> >> >> > times and how quickly do you *need* to kill?
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>> >> >> >> Look at the wording of the Second Amendment, and then go back a
>> >> >> >> learn what the founders had to say about it. The purpose of an
>> >> >> >> armed citizen
>> >> > ry
>> >> >> >> is to protect the country from invaders, and if necessary, from
>> >> >> >> the government itself. That being the purpose, does it not make
>> >> >> >> sense that we arm ourselves with the expectation of facing
>> >> >> >> soldiers who will be armed with automatic weapons and other
>> >> >> >> nasty little surprises? IN such
>> >> > a
>> >> >> >> scenario, limiting the size of clips, could mean more dead
>> >> >> >> citizens.
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>> >> >> > America had a tiny army in the late 1700s, too tiny to cover the
>> >> >> > territory of the time. It wasn't even a full-fledged nation yet
>> >> >> > in the ordinary sense. The second amendment gave the right to
>> >> >> > bear arms for a militia to do the job of what the army couldn't
>> >> >> > do at the time. The militias were a deputized form of the army.
>> >> >> > That's what the second amendment is all about. It wasn't about
>> >> >> > giving every Joe Blow his gun just for the hell of it.
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>> >> >> No, actually protecting the right of every Joe Blow to have his
>> >> >> guns is exactly the purpose of the 2nd.
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>> >> >> So that when the militia was needed Joe Blow could show up armed
>> >> >> and able
>> >> > to
>> >> >> perform his function in the militia.
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>> >> > Right. Within the function of a militia, not outside of it. The
>> >> > second amendment stipulates "militia," not one's backyard.
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>> >> It states, "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms....".
>> >> It does not say the right of the people while they are in the
>> >> militia or the right of the militia or the right of the people while
>> >> running to join the militia.
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>> > It also states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the
>> > security of a free State," which you keep conveniently ignoring as
>> > being the first part of the same sentence that completes a single
>> > thought.
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>> No, I don't ignore it. The free state and soveriegnty which it refers to
>> are the several states and their militias. Consider what the anti
>> federalists feared......a standing army or select militia overriding the
>> sovereignty of the states while an overreaching central government denies
>> the states their militias by neglecting them under Article I.
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> All the more reason why right to bear arms was in reference to a
> militia, not to shooting possum in one's backyard.
Agreed. It was in reference to....but not limited to.
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