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   On 15 Apr, 00:26, "Scout"    
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   > > On 14 Apr, 22:50, "Scout"    
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   > >> "wy"  wrote in message   
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   > >> > On 14 Apr, 21:04, "Scout"    
   > >> > wrote:   
   > >> >> "wy"  wrote in message   
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   > >> >>news:b168afae-18a8-4ea9-9b74-e492c526af28@w1g2000vbw.googlegroups.com...   
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   > >> >> > On 14 Apr, 12:33, RD Sandman    
   > >> >> > wrote:   
   > >> >> >> wy  wrote   
   > >> >> >> innews:ad458066-16bb-4921-97e9-bd8ca06c42b4@f18g2000v   
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   > >> >> >> > On 14 Apr, 01:58, "Scout"   
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   > >> >> >> >> "wy"  wrote in message   
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   > >> >> >> >> > On 13 Apr, 20:40, Steve  wrote:   
   > >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:57:24 -0700 (PDT), wy   
   > >> >> >> >> >>    
   > >> >> >> >> >> wrote:   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >On 13 Apr, 18:50, "Scout"   
   > >> >> >> >> >> > wrote:   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> "wy"  wrote in message   
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   > >> >> >> >> >> >>news:5d978267-11aa-41d3-ab47-8b86c12119b4@c7g   
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   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 13 Apr, 18:17, David Hartung    
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote:   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 04/13/2013 04:36 PM, wy wrote:   
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   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 13 Apr, 17:05, RD Sandman   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >  >> >> >> > t>   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote:   
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   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> In other words, you don't need a hi cap magazine   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> for   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> anythin   
   > >> >> >> > g.   
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   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So? What does need have to do with it? Do you need a   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> V-   
   > >> >> >> > 8 or a   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> V-6 in   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> your car. Do you even need a 4?   
   >   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > When it comes to killing, need has everything to do   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > with   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > it?   
   > >> >> >> > How   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > many   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > times and how quickly do you *need* to kill?   
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   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Look at the wording of the Second Amendment, and then   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> go   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> back a learn   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> what the founders had to say about it. The purpose of   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> an   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> armed citizenry   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is to protect the country from invaders, and if   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> necessary,   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> from   
   > >> >> >> > the   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> government itself. That being the purpose, does it not   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> make   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> sens   
   > >> >> >> > e   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> that   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> we arm ourselves with the expectation of facing   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> soldiers   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> who   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wil   
   > >> >> >> > l   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> armed with automatic weapons and other nasty little   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> surprises? I   
   > >> >> >> > N   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> such a   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> scenario, limiting the size of clips, could mean more   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> dead   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> citizens.   
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   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > America had a tiny army in the late 1700s, too tiny to   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > cover   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the territory of the time. It wasn't even a full-fledged   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > nation ye   
   > >> >> >> > t in   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the ordinary sense. The second amendment gave the right   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > to   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > bea   
   > >> >> >> > r   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > arms   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > for a militia to do the job of what the army couldn't do   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > at   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the time.   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The militias were a deputized form of the army. That's   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > what   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > th   
   > >> >> >> > e   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > second amendment is all about. It wasn't about giving   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > every   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jo   
   > >> >> >> > e   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Blow   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> > his gun just for the hell of it.   
   >   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> No, actually protecting the right of every Joe Blow to   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> have   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> his   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> gun   
   > >> >> >> > s   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> is   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> exactly the purpose of the 2nd.   
   >   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> So that when the militia was needed Joe Blow could show up   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> armed an   
   > >> >> >> > d   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> able to   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> perform his function in the militia.   
   >   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >Right. Within the function of a militia, not outside of it.   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >The   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >second amendment stipulates "militia," not one's backyard.   
   >   
   > >> >> >> >> >> There is no such stipulation in the Second Amendment. There   
   > >> >> >> >> >> is   
   > >> >> >> >> >> nothing in the 2A that suggests that the RKBA is limited to   
   > >> >> >> >> >> the   
   > >> >> >> >> >> militia, MR i...@email.com   
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   > >> >> >> >> > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of   
   > >> >> >> >> > a   
   > >> >> >> >> > free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,   
   > >> >> >> >> > shall   
   > >> >> >> >> > not be infringed."   
   >   
   > >> >> >> >> > Is one's backyard included in that?   
   >   
   > >> >> >> >> Absolutely,.   
   >   
   > >> >> >> > Not mentioned in the Constitution.  Next.   
   >   
   > >> >> >> Neither is your free speech in a newsgroup on the internet.  Does   
   > >> >> >> that   
   > >> >> >> mean you don't have it?   
   >   
   > >> >> > If you actually read, and are able to properly digest, the First   
   > >> >> > amendment, it's not so much about giving everyone the right of free   
   > >> >> > speech as it is about Congress making no law abridging the freedom   
   > >> >> > of   
   > >> >> > speech.   
   >   
   > >> >> > "Congress shall make no law" ...  respecting an establishment of   
      
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