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   On 15 Apr, 12:32, RD Sandman    
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   > wy  wrote in news:0ea301b1-7770-4a76-824e-03eeb2adcbe7   
   > @x14g2000vba.googlegroups.com:   
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   > > On 14 Apr, 19:08, RD Sandman    
   > > wrote:   
   > >> wy  wrote in news:1c4a7b97-8e85-4f6e-ab4f-   
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   > >> @a6g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:   
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   > >> > On 14 Apr, 17:09, Wayne  wrote:   
   > >> >> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT), wy    
   > wrote:   
   > >> >> > On 14 Apr, 12:29, RD Sandman    
   > >> >> > wrote:   
   > >> >> > > wy  wrote   
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   > >> >> innews:8ac7ca0d-4fb3-476f-85bd-415afec5a910@r7=>   
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   > >> g2000vbw.googlegroups.> com:   
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   > >> >> > > > On 13 Apr, 18:50, "Scout"   
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   > >> >> > > > wrote:   
   > >> >> > > >> "wy"  wrote in message   
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   > >> >> >>news:5d978267-11aa-41d3-ab47-8b86c12119b4   
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   > >> @c7g2000vbe.googlegroups.com   
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   > >> >> > > >> > On 13 Apr, 18:17, David Hartung  wrote:   
   > >> >> > > >> >> On 04/13/2013 04:36 PM, wy wrote:   
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   > >> >> > > >> >> > On 13 Apr, 17:05, RD Sandman   
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   > >> >> > > >> >> > wrote:   
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   > >> >> > > >> >> >>> In other words, you don't need a hi cap magazine for   
   > >> >> anything.   
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   > >> >> > > >> >> >> So? What does need have to do with it? Do you need a   
   > V-8   
   > >> >> or a   
   > >> >> > > > V-6 in   
   > >> >> > > >> >> >> your car. Do you even need a 4?   
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   > >> >> > > >> >> > When it comes to killing, need has everything to do   
   > with   
   > >> >> it?   
   > >> >> > > >> >> > How   
   > >> >> > > > many   
   > >> >> > > >> >> > times and how quickly do you *need* to kill?   
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   > >> >> > > >> >> Look at the wording of the Second Amendment, and then go   
   > >> >> back a   
   > >> >> > > >> >> learn what the founders had to say about it. The purpose   
   > of   
   > >> >> an   
   > >> >> > > >> >> armed citizen   
   > >> >> > > > ry   
   > >> >> > > >> >> is to protect the country from invaders, and if   
   > necessary,   
   > >> >> from   
   > >> >> > > >> >> the government itself. That being the purpose, does it   
   > not   
   > >> >> make   
   > >> >> > > >> >> sense that we arm ourselves with the expectation of   
   > facing   
   > >> >> > > >> >> soldiers who will be armed with automatic weapons and   
   > other   
   > >> >> nasty   
   > >> >> > > >> >> little surprises? IN such   
   > >> >> > > > a   
   > >> >> > > >> >> scenario, limiting the size of clips, could mean more   
   > dead   
   > >> >> > > >> >> citizens.   
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   > >> >> > > >> > America had a tiny army in the late 1700s, too tiny to   
   > cover   
   > >> >> the   
   > >> >> > > >> > territory of the time. It wasn't even a full-fledged   
   > nation   
   > >> >> yet in   
   > >> >> > > >> > the ordinary sense. The second amendment gave the right to   
   > >> >> bear   
   > >> >> > > >> > arms for a militia to do the job of what the army couldn't   
   > >> >> do at   
   > >> >> > > >> > the time. The militias were a deputized form of the army.   
   > >> >> That's   
   > >> >> > > >> > what the second amendment is all about. It wasn't about   
   > >> >> giving   
   > >> >> > > >> > every Joe Blow his gun just for the hell of it.   
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   > >> >> > > >> No, actually protecting the right of every Joe Blow to have   
   > >> >> his guns   
   > >> >> > > >> is exactly the purpose of the 2nd.   
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   > >> >> > > >> So that when the militia was needed Joe Blow could show up   
   > >> >> armed and   
   > >> >> > > >> able   
   > >> >> > > > to   
   > >> >> > > >> perform his function in the militia.   
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   > >> >> > > > Right. Within the function of a militia, not outside of it.   
   > >> >> The   
   > >> >> > > > second amendment stipulates "militia," not one's backyard.   
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   > >> >> > > It states, "...the right of the people to keep and bear   
   > >> >> arms....". It   
   > >> >> > > does not say the right of the people while they are in the   
   > >> >> militia or the   
   > >> >> > > right of the militia or the right of the people while running   
   > to   
   > >> >> join the   
   > >> >> > > militia.   
   > >> >> > It also states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the   
   > >> >> > security of a free State," which you keep conveniently ignoring   
   > as   
   > >> >> > being the first part of the same sentence that completes a single   
   > >> >> > thought.   
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   > >> >> "A well regulated school system, being necessary for education, the   
   > >> >> right of the people to read shall not be infringed"   
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   > >> >> Your logic, if schools are eliminated, or if you don't go to   
   > school,   
   > >> >> you lose your right to read???   
   >   
   > >> > If there was no school system, there would be no need for people to   
   > >> > learn to read to justify a system that doesn't exist. �See how it   
   > >> > works? �If no militia, then no need for people to bear arms. �Get i   
   > > t?   
   >   
   > >> Nope. �Do you honestly think that the only reason anyone in the world   
   > h   
   > > as   
   > >> a firearm is so they can serve in a militia? �Really......   
   >   
   > > You're still not explaining why militia was even included in the   
   > > second amendment if the amendment is only supposed to be about people   
   > > having a right to bear arms.  When you can make sense out of that,   
   > > maybe I'll get it.   
   >   
   > To get it, you need to understand a few facts:   
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   > The Bill of Rights does not define or grant rights it protects them.   
   > The Antifederalists were afraid of an overreaching central government.   
   > They feared the feds could set up a select militia or standing army.   
   > The federal militia was to be armed via Article I, section 8, clause 16.   
      
   Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution of the United States provides   
   that: "The Congress shall have the power ... To provide for calling   
   forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress   
   insurrections and repel invasions ... To provide for organizing,   
   arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of   
   them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving   
   to the states respectively, the appointment of officers, and the   
   authority of training the militia according to the discipline   
   prescribed by Congress."   
      
   The Second Amendment reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary   
   [for] a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms   
   shall not be infringed."   
      
   The Constitution, therefore, demonstrates that militias are a creature   
   of the state, subject to being called forth by the U.S. government "to   
   execute the laws of the Union..." This is bolstered by the wording of   
      
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