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   From: trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au   
      
   On 4/21/2013 7:35 AM, Scout wrote:   
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   >   
   > "Trevor Wilson"  wrote in message   
   > news:atev54Fkl0sU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >> On 4/20/2013 3:53 PM, Scout wrote:   
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   >>>   
   >>> "Trevor Wilson"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:atec94Fgv0lU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>>> On 4/20/2013 11:19 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "Trevor Wilson"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:ate4m7Ffj68U1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>>>>> On 4/20/2013 9:44 AM, Scout wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>> news:ate2shFf89pU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>>>>>>> On 4/20/2013 9:27 AM, Scout wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson"  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>> message   
   >>>>>>>>> news:ate000Fek8tU2@mid.individual.net...   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2013 8:39 AM, Dechucka wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>> "RD Sandman"  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>> message   
   >>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA1A782B5E82D8hopewell@216.196.121.131...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> news:atc1j0F11bvU1@mid.individual.net:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2013 7:56 AM, Dechucka wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .... something as simple as universal background checks   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> passed. Maybe the US is just a sick and violent society   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Not so much. The US is saddled with a bunch of gutless   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> politicians,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> who value the opinions of the NRA more than their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> constituents.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of Americans are probably disgusted with their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> elected   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> senators. They need to be reminded of just how weak these   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> creatures   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> are.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> They're not interested in the well-being of the American   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> people.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> They are interested in re-election.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> sad, so election is more important than dead Americans   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> **It would seem so. Except to a tiny handful of Republican   
   >>>>>>>>>> senators   
   >>>>>>>>>> and the majority of Democrat senators. Americans should keep   
   >>>>>>>>>> those   
   >>>>>>>>>> names in mind. Both the brave ones and the gutless ones.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Yep, the ones that voted for it need to go,   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> **Why do you support a criminal's right to obtain firearms?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Who said I do?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> **You object to good, sane controls on guns.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I do? Where did I do so?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> **In every single discussion you and I have had regarding gun control   
   >>>> laws.   
   >>>   
   >>> In every single discussion there was no good, sane gun control being   
   >>> proposed.   
   >>   
   >> **That would your opinion. As shown by events, a wrong opinion.   
   >   
   > If it's a matter of opinion then that means you can't really define   
   > exactly what a good sane gun control law is other than it's something   
   > YOU approve of.   
      
   **Wrong. Good, sane gun control laws acheive results. Like the laws we   
   have here in Australia. All have been shown to acheive results.   
      
   >   
   > Kind of like those people who can't tell you want an assault weapon is,   
   > but they will know it when they see it.   
      
   **Strawman duly noted.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>> Therefore, you support a criminal's right to easily obtain firearms.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Sorry, one doesn't follow from the other, particularly when I haven't   
   >>>>> objected to good, sane controls on guns.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> **You have objected to good sane gun control laws. In every single   
   >>>> discussion you and I have had.   
   >>>   
   >>> Point out a single good sane gun control law that I objected to.   
   >>   
   >> **I'll point out several:   
   >>   
   >> * ALL gun sales must be registered with government authorities. EVERY   
   >> SINGLE gun sale.   
   >   
   > It's insanity to assume criminals are going to register their illegal   
   > sales on the black market.   
      
   **Since ALL gun sales must be reported, fewer guns will be sold to   
   criminals by legal gun owners. That can only be regarded as a positive   
   step.   
      
   >   
   > Next?   
   >   
   >   
   >> * EVERY SINGLE gun purchase must be subject to government approval.   
   >   
   > Not good law, since we specifically have a protected right to keep and   
   > bear arms, and thus don't need to ask for, or obtain permission.   
      
   **Wrong. In many US jurisdictions you must obtain permission.   
      
   >   
   >> * Semi-automatic firearms to be banned.   
   >   
   > Not good law since there is no reasonable basis for doing so, and of   
   > course that all right to keep arms is still there.   
      
   **Since semi-autos are unnecessary, except for killing large numbers of   
   humans, it is an excellent idea to ban them.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> * Magazines holding more than 10 bullets to be declared illegal and   
   >> subject to severe punishmenrt, if found to be used.   
   >   
   >   
   > Not good law since there is no reasonable basis for doing so, and of   
   > course that all right to keep arms is still there.   
      
   **Let's talk about the 'right to bare arms, as part of a well regulated   
   militia'. When those words were framed by your slave-owning founding   
   fathers, firearm reload times were measured in minutes. It would seem   
   that ensuring a repeat fire every 30 seconds or so would be fine and   
   well within what the slave-owning founding fathers had intended.   
      
      
   >   
   >> * ALL firearms thefts to be reported to police.   
   >   
   >   
   > It's insanity to assume criminals are going to report that their illegal   
   > firearms have been stolen.   
      
   **Nonetheless, it is the law in the US, that civilians MUST report any   
   crimes. Failure to report a crime, is a crime.   
      
   >   
   > Sort of like a crack dealer complaining that someone has stolen his   
   > stock 'n trade.   
      
   **Not quite. As I stated, it is a legal requirement for all US citizens   
   to report any criminal activity. Reporting the theft of firearms is both   
   prudent and the law.   
      
   >   
   >> * ALL firearms to be properly stored in appropriate, approved locked   
   >> containers when not in use.   
   >   
   > Insanity to assume such a law would suddenly make irresponsible people   
   > responsible, and we're back to that whole getting permission from the   
   > government on what containers are appropriate and approved..   
      
   **Idiots need to be told what to do every now and then. This is one of   
   those times.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> * Appropriate checking to be implemented to ensure all legal   
   >> requirements are adhered to.   
   >   
   > Insanity to assume criminals will be preforming any such checks.   
      
   **Then any criminal not adhering to the law, can be punished.   
      
   >   
   > See what I mean? No good sane gun control laws being proposed.   
      
   **That would be the opinion of a person who is incapable of thinking   
   past what the NRA tells them to.   
      
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