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From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net
"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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> On 4/23/2013 9:18 AM, Scout wrote:
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>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
>> news:atlsu0F6niuU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 4/23/2013 8:30 AM, Scout wrote:
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>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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>>>>> On 4/22/2013 4:45 PM, Scout wrote:
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>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:atk47kFoj0aU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 4/22/2013 4:17 PM, Scout wrote:
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>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:atjmslFm001U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/2013 12:07 PM, Scout wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>> news:atjh2kFku7dU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/21/2013 7:35 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:atev54Fkl0sU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2013 3:53 PM, Scout wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:atec94Fgv0lU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2013 11:19 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ate4m7Ffj68U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2013 9:44 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ate2shFf89pU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2013 9:27 AM, Scout wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ate000Fek8tU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2013 8:39 AM, Dechucka wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "RD Sandman"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA1A782B5E82D8hopewell@216.196.121.131...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:atc1j0F11bvU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2013 7:56 AM, Dechucka wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .... something as simple as universal background
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passed. Maybe the US is just a sick and violent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> society
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Not so much. The US is saddled with a bunch of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gutless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politicians,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who value the opinions of the NRA more than their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of Americans are probably disgusted with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> senators. They need to be reminded of just how weak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creatures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're not interested in the well-being of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are interested in re-election.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sad, so election is more important than dead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It would seem so. Except to a tiny handful of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> senators
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the majority of Democrat senators. Americans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> names in mind. Both the brave ones and the gutless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, the ones that voted for it need to go,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Why do you support a criminal's right to obtain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who said I do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You object to good, sane controls on guns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do? Where did I do so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **In every single discussion you and I have had regarding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In every single discussion there was no good, sane gun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **That would your opinion. As shown by events, a wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's a matter of opinion then that means you can't really
>>>>>>>>>>>> define
>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what a good sane gun control law is other than it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU approve of.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Wrong. Good, sane gun control laws acheive results.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Yes, necessarily.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So if you can't show results that were actually caused by that law,
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> we can both agree it wasn't a good, sane law?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I've already provided the results of the Australian gun control
>>>>>>> laws. All good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you've asserted them, and you claimed they were the result of the
>>>>>> change in the laws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bad, tyrannical, even evil laws can also achieve
>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Indeed. Bad results.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So simply pointing to results, assuming you can actually prove any,
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