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   From: SaPeIsMa@gmail.com   
      
   "F Murtz"  wrote in message   
   news:kl8ijc$kb6$2@dont-email.me...   
   > Trevor Wilson wrote:   
   >> On 4/24/2013 1:26 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:   
   >>> "F Murtz"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:kl7d83$rib$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   Just because you have results doesn't make the law good and sane.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> **We have good results. Gun related crimes are down. Gun thefts are   
   >>>>> dramatically down. Mass murders, via the use of firearms have   
   >>>>> completely   
   >>>>> ceased.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Too bad It has not had the same effect on total murders.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>  Therefore, a reasonable person will accept that the 1996 gun   
   >>>>> control laws were a good change.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Has not changed the status quo discernibly.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> They don't really care that the TOTAL number hasn't changed   
   >>>     The fact that "murders by guns" prove them right.   
   >>   
   >> **PROVE that the total number has not changed.   
   >> PROVE that the same number of people would have been murdered, if the   
   >> 1996 gun control law changes had not been enacted.   
   >>   
   >> In your proof, make reference to the fact that in the 18 years prior to   
   >> the 1996 gun control law changes, there were 13 mass murders committed   
   >> via the use of firearms in Australia and that since 1996, there have   
   >> been none.   
   >   
   > No mass gun murders but there have been mass murders by other means which   
   > the gun laws did nothing to stop.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> But then that is the logic of imbeciles.   
   >>   
   >> **The logic of imbeciles is this:   
   >>   
   >> * Everything the NRA says is correct and in the best interests of the US   
   >> public.   
      
   That's just a stupid strawman spouted by gun-control imbeciles that is not   
   supported by ANY evidence   
      
   >> * That good, sane HOMOGENEOUS gun control laws will not lead to a   
   >> reduction in firearm related homicide.   
      
   You just proved my point,  which was   
       ++ They don't really care that the TOTAL number hasn't changed   
       ++   The fact that "murders by guns" prove them right.   
      
   The CDC and NAS have demonstrated VERY CLEARLY that there is NO EVIDENCE   
   that gun control has ANY EFFECT on reducing crime.   
      
   What iditos like trevor ignore is that criminals are more than happy to use   
   other tools for their thuggish acts if guns are not available   
   The evidence for this is CLEAR in Australian crime rates, which have   
   INCREASED after the gun ban/confiscation.   
   Criminals just switched to other "tools" while leaving the law-abiding   
   citizens helpless and disarmed.   
      
      
      
   >> * That background checks on ALL gun sales will not reduce the number of   
   >> firearms in the hands of criminals.   
      
   We don't need to demonstrate a negative   
   YOU on the other hand have a duty to demonstrate the positive   
   There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that "background checks" had ANY EFFECT in   
   reducing guns in the hands of criminals   
       There is something called the black market, after all.   
       And guess what, criminals have NO PROBLEMS getting what they want on the   
   black market.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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