XPost: uk.politics.guns, aus.politics.guns, aus.politics   
   XPost: talk.politics.guns   
   From: trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au   
      
   On 4/27/2013 9:17 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:   
   > "RD Sandman"  wrote in message   
   > news:XnsA1AE7951F463Bhopewell@216.196.121.131...   
   >> Trevor Wilson  wrote in   
   >> news:atts09Fu2eeU1@mid.individual.net:   
   >>   
   >>> On 4/26/2013 7:49 AM, RD Sandman wrote:   
   >>>> Trevor Wilson  wrote in   
   >>>> news:attl3lFsi9eU2@mid.individual.net:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 4/25/2013 2:59 PM, F Murtz wrote:   
   >>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 4/24/2013 10:21 PM, F Murtz wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 4/24/2013 1:26 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> "F Murtz"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>> news:kl7d83$rib$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>    Just because you have results doesn't make the law good   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>    and sane.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> **We have good results. Gun related crimes are down. Gun   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> thefts are dramatically down. Mass murders, via the use of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> firearms have completely   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> ceased.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Too bad It has not had the same effect on total murders.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   Therefore, a reasonable person will accept that the 1996 gun   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> control laws were a good change.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Has not changed the status quo discernibly.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> They don't really care that the TOTAL number hasn't changed   
   >>>>>>>>>>      The fact that "murders by guns" prove them right.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> **PROVE that the total number has not changed.   
   >>>>>>>>> PROVE that the same number of people would have been murdered,   
   >>>>>>>>> if the 1996 gun control law changes had not been enacted.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> In your proof, make reference to the fact that in the 18 years   
   >>>>>>>>> prior to the 1996 gun control law changes, there were 13 mass   
   >>>>>>>>> murders committed via the use of firearms in Australia and that   
   >>>>>>>>> since 1996, there have been none.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> No mass gun murders but there have been mass murders by other   
   >>>>>>>> means which the gun laws did nothing to stop.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> **Are you a complete moron, or are you permanently drunk?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Do DUI laws stop people from being raped?   
   >>>>>>> Do laws pertaining to bank robbery stop people from driving whilst   
   >>>>>>> drunk?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Gun control laws are designed to address GUN RELATED crimes, you   
   >>>>>>> idiot.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Only a moron would think that making a law that inconveniences a   
   >>>>>> lot of people for almost no purpose factually to address such a   
   >>>>>> miniscule problem in the total homicide statistic is the most   
   >>>>>> wonderful thing since sliced bread   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> **That's just it: It doesn't inconvenience people.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That depends on your viewpoint.  If someone wishes to purchase   
   >>>> certain firearms or accessories, it would have inconvenienced them.   
   >>>> You don't think it inconveniences people simply because you weren't   
   >>>> in the targeted group.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> **From your words, we can infer that you consider a minor   
   >>> inconvenience, for a minority of people, worth trading the deaths of   
   >>> 10,000 people for.   
   >>>   
   >>> Disgusting.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> NO, what is disgusting is assholes like you trying to twist comments into   
   >> something they are not.  Trying to put your words into someone else's   
   >> mouth.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Notice that he has no problems with the "convenience" traded for the   
   > deaths of far more people  when it comes to other things like cars, etc..   
   >   
   >   
      
   **Bullshit!   
      
   I have consistently stated that:   
      
   * Random breath testing for drivers should be extended, such that all   
   drivers face testing regularly.   
   * Drivers should face mandatory re-testing for driving ability and   
   theoretical knowledge regularly (perhaps every three years).   
   * That young (and probably most older) drivers should be restricted in   
   their choice of vehicles WRT to power to weight of those vehicles.   
   * That vehicles capable of severe damage to pedestrians be removed from   
   the roads (particularly those fitted with after-market 'bullbars'), or   
   modified accordingly.   
      
   --   
   Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au   
      
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