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XPost: talk.politics.guns
From: trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
On 4/29/2013 12:24 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote in
> news:au5gnbFkqufU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 4/29/2013 6:08 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote in
>>> news:au356iF4rk6U1@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> On 4/28/2013 9:05 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote in
>>>>> news:au2vt3F3okfU2@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/28/2013 1:15 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>> "SaPeIsMa" wrote in
>>>>>>> news:klgc61$5p1$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "RD Sandman" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:XnsA1AE7951F463Bhopewell@216.196.121.131...
>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:atts09Fu2eeU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2013 7:49 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:attl3lFsi9eU2@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2013 2:59 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/2013 10:21 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/2013 1:26 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "F Murtz" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:kl7d83$rib$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because you have results doesn't make the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and sane.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **We have good results. Gun related crimes are down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gun thefts are dramatically down. Mass murders, via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the use of firearms have completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ceased.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad It has not had the same effect on total
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> murders.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, a reasonable person will accept that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 1996 gun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control laws were a good change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has not changed the status quo discernibly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't really care that the TOTAL number hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that "murders by guns" prove them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **PROVE that the total number has not changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROVE that the same number of people would have been
>>>>> murdered,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the 1996 gun control law changes had not been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enacted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In your proof, make reference to the fact that in the 18
>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prior to the 1996 gun control law changes, there were 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass murders committed via the use of firearms in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Australia and that since 1996, there have been none.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No mass gun murders but there have been mass murders by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other means which the gun laws did nothing to stop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Are you a complete moron, or are you permanently drunk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do DUI laws stop people from being raped?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do laws pertaining to bank robbery stop people from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving whilst drunk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gun control laws are designed to address GUN RELATED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crimes,
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only a moron would think that making a law that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inconveniences a lot of people for almost no purpose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> factually to address such a miniscule problem in the total
>>>>>>>>>>>>> homicide statistic is the most wonderful thing since sliced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bread
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **That's just it: It doesn't inconvenience people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That depends on your viewpoint. If someone wishes to
>>>>>>>>>>> purchase certain firearms or accessories, it would have
>>>>>>>>>>> inconvenienced
>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't think it inconveniences people simply because you
>>>>> weren't
>>>>>>>>>>> in the targeted group.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **From your words, we can infer that you consider a minor
>>>>>>>>>> inconvenience, for a minority of people, worth trading the
>>>>>>>>>> deaths
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> 10,000 people for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Disgusting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NO, what is disgusting is assholes like you trying to twist
>>>>>>>>> comments into something they are not. Trying to put your words
>>>>>>>>> into someone else's mouth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Notice that he has no problems with the "convenience" traded for
>>>>>>>> the deaths of far more people when it comes to other things
>>>>>>>> like cars, etc..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty much true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Another lie from you. I suggest you check back though previous
>>>>>> posts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggest all you want, it will be ignored like most of your ideas
>>>>> are. Fix the problems in your own country before you start harping
>>>>> on ours.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **We already have.
>>>
>>> You think that was the only problem your country has?
>>
>> **Far from it. I am remaining on topic.
>>
>>>
>>> Our mass murder rate, via gunshot, has stood at
>>>> zero for 17 years.
>>>
>>> I know. I am the one who had to point you to the stats before and
>>> after Port Arthur.
>>>
>>> Our gun thefts, from civilians, are significantly
>>>> down. Gun crimes are down and homicide via gunshot is down.
>>>
>>> They would be.....the number of guns available to be stolen are very
>>> much reduced.
>>
>> **Untrue. There are now more guns in our society today, than there
>> were prior to the 1996 gun control law implementation. The reason why
>> there are far fewer civilian guns being stolen, is due to the
>> mandatory storage conditions applied to gun ownership.
>
> I will take your word for it since I really don't care. I took a quick
> glance at the internet but didn't find what I was looking for. As you
> know, I don't live in Australia so I take little note of your politics.
> They aren't my business.
>
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