XPost: uk.politics.guns, aus.politics.guns, aus.politics
XPost: talk.politics.guns
From: SaPeIsMa@gmail.com
"Dechucka" wrote in message
news:y_GdnRKp9JnxxOLMnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
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> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
> news:au93c6Fec1lU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 4/30/2013 7:58 AM, Dechucka wrote:
>>>
>>> "RD Sandman" wrote in message
>>> news:XnsA1B17ACF524B7hopewell@216.196.121.131...
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote in
>>>> news:au666jFp1j3U1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/29/2013 12:24 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote in
>>>>>> news:au5gnbFkqufU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/29/2013 6:08 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:au356iF4rk6U1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2013 9:05 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:au2vt3F3okfU2@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2013 1:15 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "SaPeIsMa" wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:klgc61$5p1$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "RD Sandman" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA1AE7951F463Bhopewell@216.196.121.131...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:atts09Fu2eeU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2013 7:49 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:attl3lFsi9eU2@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2013 2:59 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/2013 10:21 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/2013 1:26 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "F Murtz" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:kl7d83$rib$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because you have results doesn't make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the law
>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and sane.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **We have good results. Gun related crimes are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down. Gun thefts are dramatically down. Mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> murders, via the use of firearms have completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ceased.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad It has not had the same effect on total
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> murders.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, a reasonable person will accept
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the 1996 gun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control laws were a good change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has not changed the status quo discernibly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't really care that the TOTAL number hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that "murders by guns" prove them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **PROVE that the total number has not changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROVE that the same number of people would have been
>>>>>>>>>> murdered,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the 1996 gun control law changes had not been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enacted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In your proof, make reference to the fact that in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18
>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prior to the 1996 gun control law changes, there were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13 mass murders committed via the use of firearms in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Australia and that since 1996, there have been none.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No mass gun murders but there have been mass murders by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other means which the gun laws did nothing to stop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Are you a complete moron, or are you permanently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do DUI laws stop people from being raped?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do laws pertaining to bank robbery stop people from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving whilst drunk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gun control laws are designed to address GUN RELATED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crimes,
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only a moron would think that making a law that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inconveniences a lot of people for almost no purpose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factually to address such a miniscule problem in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> total homicide statistic is the most wonderful thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since sliced bread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **That's just it: It doesn't inconvenience people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That depends on your viewpoint. If someone wishes to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purchase certain firearms or accessories, it would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inconvenienced
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't think it inconveniences people simply because you
>>>>>>>>>> weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the targeted group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **From your words, we can infer that you consider a minor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inconvenience, for a minority of people, worth trading the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deaths
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10,000 people for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disgusting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO, what is disgusting is assholes like you trying to twist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments into something they are not. Trying to put your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words into someone else's mouth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that he has no problems with the "convenience" traded
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the deaths of far more people when it comes to other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things like cars, etc..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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