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   From: trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au   
      
   On 9/11/2013 6:34 AM, RD Sandman wrote:   
   > Trevor Wilson  wrote in   
   > news:be2nuvFmkiiU1@mid.individual.net:   
   >   
   >> On 8/11/2013 7:08 AM, RD Sandman wrote:   
   >>> Murff  wrote in news:l5gq91$o79$4@dont-email.me:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 12:20:05 -0600, Johnny Johnson wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> In article , Murff    
   >>>>> says...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> [T]rying to solve *political* problems ad {SIC} deal with   
   >>>>>> *political* adversaries by the use of  firearms is not very   
   >>>>>> clever.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." --Mao Tse-tung   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is one of the places it can, yes. OTOH he was talking about the   
   >>>> creation of political power essentially (given China's history up   
   >>>> until his revolution) out of a vacuum.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What amuses me about certain Americans' association of guns and   
   >>>> political freedom is the assumption that military force (regular,   
   >>>> reserve or paramilitary) wouldn't be deployed by a suitably-provoked   
   >>>> government.   
   >>>   
   >>> While true, much of that military force (regular, reserve or   
   >>> paramilitary) is us.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Personal armaments as a security measure seems to me to make sense   
   >>>> in a big country with relatively few police, and with a large enough   
   >>>> supply of criminals with their own arms to be a concern. Personal   
   >>>> armaments in defence of rights against a government with tanks and   
   >>>> attack helicopters is relying heavily on the political process and   
   >>>> the law.   
   >>>   
   >>> Of course, I don't carry a gun because I fear my government (although   
   >>> many in my government seem to fear me because I do.) I carry guns to   
   >>> reduce crime in my immediate vicinity that threatens me or my family.   
   >>>   So far, they have done so rather well.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> **I go for a run every day around the block (4km) to keep crime down   
   >> in my neighbourhood. So far, it has worked perfectly.   
   >   
   > Then, by all means, keep doing it no matter threatened you become.   
   >   
      
   **My point, lest you fail to note is that you cannot show causation. I   
   run, unarmed, because I am not paranoid, nor do I live in a rabidly   
   paranoid society like the US.   
      
      
   --   
   Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au   
      
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