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   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "Klaus Schadenfreude"  wrote in message   
   news:tsl589ht6st1s55r1a15sif3g24p5i7ag7@4ax.com...   
   > On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 06:28:43 +1100, "Dechucka"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>"Murff"  wrote in message   
   >>news:l5q5h6$o79$15@dont-email.me...   
   >>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:58:28 +1100, Dechucka wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> "RD Sandman"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:XnsA274A56142D5EHopewell@216.196.121.131...   
   >>>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   >>>>> news:UYudnSRGbNeHgR3PnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> as I said in the US even something as sensible as universal   
   >>>>>> background   
   >>>>>> checks is too hard. Refer to the subject line   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yep, I was just telling you where some of that trouble came from.  Our   
   >>>>> own government.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> who introduced sensible changes   
   >>>   
   >>> I'm not sure in light of Sandman's comment that it matters whether   
   >>> changes are sensible or not (entirely aside from the question of who   
   >>> gets   
   >>> to define "sense"). What matters is whether people can be carried along   
   >>> by those changes. Clearly there are some who never will - the "cold dead   
   >>> hands" constituency. But libertarianism aside there seem to be two   
   >>> principal hardships:   
   >>>   
   >>> 1. Distrust of government (Sandman's point), and   
   >>>   
   >>> 2. Willingness to accept the broader down-side consequences of an armed   
   >>> society in order to retain the ability to provide for ones' own defence.   
   >>>   
   >>> The second of these is a choice Americans are free to make - and as a   
   >>> choice it is one that others are free to attempt to persuade against.   
   >>> But   
   >>> such persuasion struggles because it essentially requires personal   
   >>> security to be outsourced to government to some extent or another. And   
   >>> when the government is distrusted that is not a good sell.   
   >>   
   >>Yep, guns will remain as part of US society with the obvious downsides and   
   >>from my pov little benefit   
   >   
   > Then don't get one.   
      
   Freedom of choice, an amazing concept that liberals just can't seem to   
   understand.   
      
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