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   "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   news:VeOdnbZmPbyJkM7OnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
      
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   >>>>> so you could be and in this rather pedantic e.g. 9 on my part)   
   >>>>> you're wrong   
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   >>>> Except the government has no idea it happened (I have been there   
   >>>> before with beer).  It is like the "universal background check" that   
   >>>> some are crying for.  There is no way to make it work without a   
   >>>> registry and virtually everyone in the gun community rejects that.  I   
   >>>> am one of them. I am in favor of the UBC **IF** it can be done   
   >>>> without registration but I don't see how it could be.   
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   >>> A UBC to weed out the loons etc would be good as well as tightening up   
   >>> on the private/gun show sales but that isn't going to happen   
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   >> Some points to ponder.   
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   >> 1.  UBC and tightening up up private sales are basically the same thing   
   >> since that is what UBC is intended to address.   
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   > Good start   
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   >> 2.  How do you do a UBC without a registration of firearms which is the   
   >> major stumbling block..Even Canada is junking their registration system   
   >> as they have less than 50% compliance.   
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   > Make it illegal to sell to anyone who hasn't passed a got a Background   
   > Check ticket, very much like our working with children background checks   
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   >> 3.  The federal government does not have the constitutional authority   
   >> to monitor sales of private property between private individuals unless   
   >> the sale crosses state lines.  One reason why 16 states have done so on   
   >> their own.   
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   > Good that leaves the majority to do something   
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   >> 4.  One thing the feds could do would be to tighten up the definition   
   >> of who and what are considered to be dealers.  Currently that   
   >> definition is very loose....consisting basically of "If you make a   
   >> living at it you are dealer."  Hmmm, how many guns can I sell without   
   >> being accused of making my living selling guns?  How big IS my   
   >> collection?   
   >>   
   >> 5.  There is NO federal law that applies outside of a gun show that   
   >> doesn't also apply within one.  Same laws all apply.  Some states have   
   >> laws that treat sales within a gun show more strictly than outside of   
   >> one but the feds don't.   
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   > good there is a good place to start.   
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   > Will it do any good in the US probably not   
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   I have a better idea. Expel the liberals. That should imporove things   
   immeasurably   
      
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   neither are the people.   
      
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