XPost: talk.politics.guns, uk.politics.guns, aus.politics.guns   
   From: No_email_for_you@wahoo.com   
      
   On 20 Apr 2014, you wrote in talk.politics.guns:   
      
   >   
   > "Guy Fawkes"  wrote in message   
   > news:XnsA3156DF5FF69CWereofftoseethewizrd@78.46.70.116...   
   >> "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   >> news:VeOdnbZmPbyJkM7OnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> snip   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>> so you could be and in this rather pedantic e.g. 9 on my part)   
   >>>>>>> you're wrong   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Except the government has no idea it happened (I have been there   
   >>>>>> before with beer).  It is like the "universal background check" that   
   >>>>>> some are crying for.  There is no way to make it work without a   
   >>>>>> registry and virtually everyone in the gun community rejects that.   
   I   
   >>>>>> am one of them. I am in favor of the UBC **IF** it can be done   
   >>>>>> without registration but I don't see how it could be.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> A UBC to weed out the loons etc would be good as well as tightening   
   up   
   >>>>> on the private/gun show sales but that isn't going to happen   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Some points to ponder.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 1.  UBC and tightening up up private sales are basically the same   
   thing   
   >>>> since that is what UBC is intended to address.   
   >>>   
   >>> Good start   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 2.  How do you do a UBC without a registration of firearms which is   
   the   
   >>>> major stumbling block..Even Canada is junking their registration   
   system   
   >>>> as they have less than 50% compliance.   
   >>>   
   >>> Make it illegal to sell to anyone who hasn't passed a got a Background   
   >>> Check ticket, very much like our working with children background   
   checks   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 3.  The federal government does not have the constitutional authority   
   >>>> to monitor sales of private property between private individuals   
   unless   
   >>>> the sale crosses state lines.  One reason why 16 states have done so   
   on   
   >>>> their own.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Good that leaves the majority to do something   
   >>>   
   >>>> 4.  One thing the feds could do would be to tighten up the definition   
   >>>> of who and what are considered to be dealers.  Currently that   
   >>>> definition is very loose....consisting basically of "If you make a   
   >>>> living at it you are dealer."  Hmmm, how many guns can I sell without   
   >>>> being accused of making my living selling guns?  How big IS my   
   >>>> collection?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 5.  There is NO federal law that applies outside of a gun show that   
   >>>> doesn't also apply within one.  Same laws all apply.  Some states have   
   >>>> laws that treat sales within a gun show more strictly than outside of   
   >>>> one but the feds don't.   
   >>>   
   >>> good there is a good place to start.   
   >>>   
   >>> Will it do any good in the US probably not   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> I have a better idea. Expel the liberals. That should imporove things   
   >> immeasurably   
   >   
   > or maybe big camps where work could make them free   
      
   Projecting are we? That is the socialist way.   
      
   That would suggest I wanted to punish you. I don't. I just want you to stop   
   mucking up my country with your loony ideas. How you stop is irrelevant.   
   Hell, I'd even settle for having you live here as long as you stop with the   
   Marxist blather. If that doesn't work for you... well there are other   
   options.   
      
      
   But do remember the 1st option was to live peacefully.   
      
      
   --   
   When the government is no longer constrained by the laws of the land, then   
   neither are the people.   
      
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