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   "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   news:U72dnawRfuViBsnOnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
      
   >   
   > "Guy Fawkes"  wrote in message   
   > news:XnsA31625834FD1Wereofftoseethewizrd@78.46.70.116...   
   >> On 20 Apr 2014, you wrote in talk.politics.guns:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> "Guy Fawkes"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:XnsA3156DF5FF69CWereofftoseethewizrd@78.46.70.116...   
   >>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   >>>> news:VeOdnbZmPbyJkM7OnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> snip   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> so you could be and in this rather pedantic e.g. 9 on my part)   
   >>>>>>>>> you're wrong   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Except the government has no idea it happened (I have been there   
   >>>>>>>> before with beer).  It is like the "universal background check"   
   >>>>>>>> that some are crying for.  There is no way to make it work   
   >>>>>>>> without a registry and virtually everyone in the gun community   
   >>>>>>>> rejects that.   
   >> I   
   >>>>>>>> am one of them. I am in favor of the UBC **IF** it can be done   
   >>>>>>>> without registration but I don't see how it could be.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> A UBC to weed out the loons etc would be good as well as   
   >>>>>>> tightening   
   >> up   
   >>>>>>> on the private/gun show sales but that isn't going to happen   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Some points to ponder.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 1.  UBC and tightening up up private sales are basically the same   
   >> thing   
   >>>>>> since that is what UBC is intended to address.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Good start   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 2.  How do you do a UBC without a registration of firearms which is   
   >> the   
   >>>>>> major stumbling block..Even Canada is junking their registration   
   >> system   
   >>>>>> as they have less than 50% compliance.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Make it illegal to sell to anyone who hasn't passed a got a   
   >>>>> Background Check ticket, very much like our working with children   
   >>>>> background   
   >> checks   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 3.  The federal government does not have the constitutional   
   >>>>>> authority to monitor sales of private property between private   
   >>>>>> individuals   
   >> unless   
   >>>>>> the sale crosses state lines.  One reason why 16 states have done   
   >>>>>> so   
   >> on   
   >>>>>> their own.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Good that leaves the majority to do something   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> 4.  One thing the feds could do would be to tighten up the   
   >>>>>> definition of who and what are considered to be dealers.  Currently   
   >>>>>> that definition is very loose....consisting basically of "If you   
   >>>>>> make a living at it you are dealer."  Hmmm, how many guns can I   
   >>>>>> sell without being accused of making my living selling guns?  How   
   >>>>>> big IS my collection?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 5.  There is NO federal law that applies outside of a gun show that   
   >>>>>> doesn't also apply within one.  Same laws all apply.  Some states   
   >>>>>> have laws that treat sales within a gun show more strictly than   
   >>>>>> outside of one but the feds don't.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> good there is a good place to start.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Will it do any good in the US probably not   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I have a better idea. Expel the liberals. That should imporove things   
   >>>> immeasurably   
   >>>   
   >>> or maybe big camps where work could make them free   
   >>   
   >> Projecting are we? That is the socialist way.   
   >   
   > Is it?   
   >   
   >>   
   >> That would suggest I wanted to punish you. I don't. I just want you to   
   >> stop   
   >> mucking up my country with your loony ideas. How you stop is   
   >> irrelevant. Hell, I'd even settle for having you live here as long as   
   >> you stop with the   
   >> Marxist blather.   
   >   
   > Free speech not high on your agenda? or are you all for free speech if   
   > the person is saying something you agree with like deporting a large   
   > section of the US population?   
      
   Well considering the pummeling it's taking from the homosexual crowd and the   
   global warming crowd I figured it had become obsolete.   
      
   We had the one lunatic who wanted to ban the Conservative viewpoint at   
   harvard, the homosexuals want to criminalize any critcism of them, we have   
   people talking about criminalizing disagreement over global warming. Hell   
   they even wanted to criminalize a kid chewing a pastry into  the shapoe of a   
   gun.   
      
   American media is rife with the lunatic left telling people what they are   
   allowed to say and when.   
      
   So, fuck off. They are your rules.   
      
   >>If that doesn't work for you... well there are other   
   >> options.   
   >   
   > like?   
      
   Guess.   
      
   >>   
   >>   
   >> But do remember the 1st option was to live peacefully.   
   >   
   > and able to peacefully go to a pub and not get shot by some blokes   
   > having an argument   
      
   Well I don't know where you live, but that doesn't happen around here. Why   
   don't you get a job and move out of government housing?   
      
      
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