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   "Dechucka"  wrote in news:_L-   
   dnQbWgYew5PjOnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
      
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   > "Guy Fawkes"  wrote in message   
   > news:XnsA322650D54537Wereofftoseethewizrd@78.46.70.116...   
   >> "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   >> news:x76dnZXDCcw5S__OnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
   >>   
   >>> So you feel that you have the right to take away someones life on your   
   >>> whim or def'n of a threat?   
   >>   
   >> If you're ever attacked, just die, and we'll all sit around and talk   
   about   
   >> the moral choice you made.   
   >>   
   >> It is not a "whim". In American law there are firm definitions. In   
   general   
   >> the condition is "immediate threat of death or greivous bodily injury".   
   >> And   
   >> it will be judged after the fact in most cases by opeople who are not in   
   >> the situation. This creates a situation where you have a Hobson's choice   
   -   
   >> death or grievous bodily injury OR persecution by the law afterward.   
   Isn't   
   >> that civilized?   
   >>   
   >> In many states the defintion is broader if you are in your own home   
   >> especially at night. If someone breaks into your home at night it can be   
   >> assumed that they ain't there to sell Girl Scout cookies.   
   >>   
   >> So you're little fantasy of Americans walking around shooting people   
   >> randomly is, bluntly, ill informed, bigoted and frankly just plain   
   stupid.   
   >   
   > IF that was what guns were used for in the US everything would be fine   
   but   
   > as your murder, suicide injury from guns shows that is not the case   
   >   
   >   
      
   Murder is mostly committed by (shocking!) criminals. People who have   
   already determined that the law does not apply to THEM. How do more laws   
   help.   
      
   And suicide is and has been means independent.   
      
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   When the government is no longer constrained by the laws of the land, then   
   neither are the people.   
      
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