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   "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   news:BfidnYJ7ZaVBBvjOnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
      
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   > "Guy Fawkes"  wrote in message   
   > news:XnsA322C8800B53EWereofftoseethewizrd@78.46.70.116...   
   >> "Dechucka"  wrote in news:_L-   
   >> dnQbWgYew5PjOnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
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   >>>   
   >>> "Guy Fawkes"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:XnsA322650D54537Wereofftoseethewizrd@78.46.70.116...   
   >>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   >>>> news:x76dnZXDCcw5S__OnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> So you feel that you have the right to take away someones life on   
   >>>>> your whim or def'n of a threat?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If you're ever attacked, just die, and we'll all sit around and talk   
   >> about   
   >>>> the moral choice you made.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It is not a "whim". In American law there are firm definitions. In   
   >> general   
   >>>> the condition is "immediate threat of death or greivous bodily   
   >>>> injury". And   
   >>>> it will be judged after the fact in most cases by opeople who are not   
   >>>> in the situation. This creates a situation where you have a Hobson's   
   >>>> choice   
   >> -   
   >>>> death or grievous bodily injury OR persecution by the law afterward.   
   >> Isn't   
   >>>> that civilized?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> In many states the defintion is broader if you are in your own home   
   >>>> especially at night. If someone breaks into your home at night it can   
   >>>> be assumed that they ain't there to sell Girl Scout cookies.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So you're little fantasy of Americans walking around shooting people   
   >>>> randomly is, bluntly, ill informed, bigoted and frankly just plain   
   >> stupid.   
   >>>   
   >>> IF that was what guns were used for in the US everything would be fine   
   >> but   
   >>> as your murder, suicide injury from guns shows that is not the case   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Murder is mostly committed by (shocking!) criminals. People who have   
   >> already determined that the law does not apply to THEM. How do more   
   >> laws help.   
   >   
   > I would think that all murders were committed by murderers, unfortuatly   
   > was a death murder, manslaughter or a legal killing is decieded post   
   > death for the shootee   
      
   Your irrationality and/or bigotry is noted. If I shoot a man who is trying   
   to kill me does that make me a murderer?   
      
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   >>   
   >> And suicide is and has been means independent.   
   >   
   > actually it isn't as has been shown previously   
   >   
   >   
      
   Explain the high suicide rate in Japan.   
      
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   neither are the people.   
      
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