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   "Dechucka"  wrote in news:DM-   
   dnYiqi9fJA_vOnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
      
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   > "RD Sandman"  wrote in message   
   > news:XnsA3235ED33F1DDHopewell@216.196.97.131...   
   >> "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   >> news:_L-dnQbWgYew5PjOnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
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   >>>   
   >>> "Guy Fawkes"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:XnsA322650D54537Wereofftoseethewizrd@78.46.70.116...   
   >>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   >>>> news:x76dnZXDCcw5S__OnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
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   >>>>> So you feel that you have the right to take away someones life on   
   >>>>> your whim or def'n of a threat?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If you're ever attacked, just die, and we'll all sit around and talk   
   >>>> about the moral choice you made.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It is not a "whim". In American law there are firm definitions. In   
   >>>> general the condition is "immediate threat of death or greivous   
   >>>> bodily injury". And   
   >>>> it will be judged after the fact in most cases by opeople who are not   
   >>>> in the situation. This creates a situation where you have a Hobson's   
   >>>> choice - death or grievous bodily injury OR persecution by the law   
   >>>> afterward. Isn't that civilized?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> In many states the defintion is broader if you are in your own home   
   >>>> especially at night. If someone breaks into your home at night it can   
   >>>> be assumed that they ain't there to sell Girl Scout cookies.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So you're little fantasy of Americans walking around shooting people   
   >>>> randomly is, bluntly, ill informed, bigoted and frankly just plain   
   >>>> stupid.   
   >>>   
   >>> IF that was what guns were used for in the US everything would be fine   
   >>> but as your murder, suicide injury from guns shows that is not the   
   >>> case   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Suicides (which are about 60% of the deaths)) involve a willing   
   >> particpant.  So now we are down to the homicides and accidents.   
   >   
   > no we are not .   
   >   
   >> Accidents are very often overstated, particularly when it comes to   
   >> children, and homicides average around 70% participation in either drug   
   >> or gang activity on the part of at least one of the participants.   
   >   
   > bad luck little kiddy your dead   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Bottom line, stay away from drugs and gangs and don't off yourself.   
   >   
   > great advice but irrelevant   
   >   
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