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   > "Guy Fawkes"  wrote in message   
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   >> "Dechucka"  wrote in news:J-   
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   >>> "Guy Fawkes"  wrote in message   
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   >>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in news:DM-   
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   >>>>> "RD Sandman"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in   
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   >>>>>>> "Guy Fawkes"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>> news:XnsA322650D54537Wereofftoseethewizrd@78.46.70.116...   
   >>>>>>>> "Dechucka"  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>> news:x76dnZXDCcw5S__OnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@westnet.com.au:   
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   >>>>>>>>> So you feel that you have the right to take away someones life on   
   >>>>>>>>> your whim or def'n of a threat?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> If you're ever attacked, just die, and we'll all sit around and   
   talk   
   >>>>>>>> about the moral choice you made.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It is not a "whim". In American law there are firm definitions. In   
   >>>>>>>> general the condition is "immediate threat of death or greivous   
   >>>>>>>> bodily injury". And   
   >>>>>>>> it will be judged after the fact in most cases by opeople who are   
   >> not   
   >>>>>>>> in the situation. This creates a situation where you have a   
   Hobson's   
   >>>>>>>> choice - death or grievous bodily injury OR persecution by the law   
   >>>>>>>> afterward. Isn't that civilized?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> In many states the defintion is broader if you are in your own   
   home   
   >>>>>>>> especially at night. If someone breaks into your home at night it   
   >> can   
   >>>>>>>> be assumed that they ain't there to sell Girl Scout cookies.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> So you're little fantasy of Americans walking around shooting   
   people   
   >>>>>>>> randomly is, bluntly, ill informed, bigoted and frankly just plain   
   >>>>>>>> stupid.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> IF that was what guns were used for in the US everything would be   
   >> fine   
   >>>>>>> but as your murder, suicide injury from guns shows that is not the   
   >>>>>>> case   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Suicides (which are about 60% of the deaths)) involve a willing   
   >>>>>> particpant.  So now we are down to the homicides and accidents.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> no we are not .   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Accidents are very often overstated, particularly when it comes to   
   >>>>>> children, and homicides average around 70% participation in either   
   >> drug   
   >>>>>> or gang activity on the part of at least one of the participants.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> bad luck little kiddy your dead   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Bottom line, stay away from drugs and gangs and don't off yourself.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> great advice but irrelevant   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not to rational people.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> which is why the advice is wasted on you   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> If it's irrlevant, why is it wasted on someone?   
   >   
   > but you claimed "Not to rational people." so where do you stand?   
   >   
   > Is English your second   
   >> langauge?   
   >   
   >   
      
   What I said was rational. Which explains why you don't understand it.   
      
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