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On 5/7/2014 9:35 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Guy Fawkes" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA322E2AE3B2F6Wereofftoseethewizrd@78.46.70.116...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dechucka" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Guy Fawkes" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA322C8800B53EWereofftoseethewizrd@78.46.70.116.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dechucka" wrote in news:_L-
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Guy Fawkes" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dechucka" wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:x76dnZXDCcw5S__OnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@westnet.com.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you feel that you have the right to take away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someones life on your whim or def'n of a threat?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're ever attacked, just die, and we'll all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sit around and talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the moral choice you made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a "whim". In American law there are firm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitions. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the condition is "immediate threat of death or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greivous bodily injury". And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it will be judged after the fact in most cases by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opeople who are not in the situation. This creates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a situation where you have a Hobson's choice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> death or grievous bodily injury OR persecution by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the law afterward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that civilized?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In many states the defintion is broader if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your own home especially at night. If someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks into your home at night it can be assumed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they ain't there to sell Girl Scout cookies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you're little fantasy of Americans walking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around shooting people randomly is, bluntly, ill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informed, bigoted and frankly just plain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF that was what guns were used for in the US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything would be fine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as your murder, suicide injury from guns shows that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not the case
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murder is mostly committed by (shocking!) criminals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who have already determined that the law does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not apply to THEM. How do more laws help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would think that all murders were committed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> murderers, unfortuatly was a death murder,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manslaughter or a legal killing is decieded post death
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the shootee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your irrationality and/or bigotry is noted. If I shoot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a man who is trying to kill me does that make me a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> murderer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're not very smart or logical are you, read what i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And suicide is and has been means independent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually it isn't as has been shown previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Explain the high suicide rate in Japan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been shown that in the US in houses with guns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate of successful suicide is higher.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You missed the point, as usual. It was that if a gun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (for example) is not available, other means will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> utilized.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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