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   From: Voter@Vote2016.com   
      
   The impetus for the war on guns should not be massacres, but hoodlums who rob   
   and   
   escalate insults with gunfire.   
      
   If you read my other post, massacres are a red herring.  And yet without legal   
   guns, hoodlums have all the more power entirely.  You can't walk down a dark   
   alley   
   in New York City or go many places in New York City at night, because you can't   
   bear a gun without incurring liability.   
      
   There is no right to bear arms recognized period, by the State of California   
   period.  It is an atrocity.  First they said no concealed weapons.  Then they   
   said   
   no unconcealed loaded weapons, now the current governor has said no unconcealed   
   unloaded weapons.  Only by permission may you bear a gun in the State of   
   California.  Further if you make threats, and have a gun, you are at far   
   greater   
   liability than if you make threats and have no gun.  Count the people   
   incarcerated   
   for making threats and I bet it is greater than the number of people killed in   
   non   
   Islamic Terrorist related gun massacres in California in the last 20 years.    
   The   
   number I count killed in non Islamic Terrorist related massacres in California   
   in   
   the past 20 years is 39.  (If you include the one Islamic terror attack, that   
   number jumps to 53).  Correct that number if it's wrong please.  But how many   
   people have been convicted of making threats of massacres in California in the   
   past twenty years?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)