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   From: Voter@Vote2016.com   
      
   Only eleven massacres, of five or more students, since Columbine in last twenty   
   years, or by students, according to Wikipedia, and as far as I know:   
      
   State           #       Name                    Year    Killed  Years Ago   
   Virginia        1       Virginia Tech           2007    32      11   
   Conneticut      2       Sandy Hook              2012    27      6   
   Florida         3       Stoneman Douglas        2018    17      0   
   Colorado        /       Columbine               1999    15      19   
   Colorado        4       Aurora Batman Killer    2012    12      6   
   Oregon          5       Umpqua Community Coll   2015    9       3   
   Minnesota       6       Red Lake massacre       2005    9       13   
   California      7       Oikos University        2012    7       6   
   California      8       Isla Vista killings     2014    6       4   
   California      9       2013 Santa Monica shoot 2013    5       5   
   Illinois        10      Northern Illinois Uni   2008    5       10   
   Pennsylvannia   11      West Nickel Mines School2006    5       12   
      
   And another 10 massacres, with a 4-2 students killed, in the last twenty years:   
      
   State           #       Name                    Year    Killed  Years Ago   
   Washington      1       Marysville shooting     2014    4       4   
   Colorado        2       Colorado YWAM New Life  2007    4       11   
   Kentucky        3       HCTC shooting           2013    3       5   
   Ohio            4       Chardon High School     2012    3       6   
   Virginia        5       Appalachian Law School  2002    3       16   
   Arizona         6       University of Arizona   2002    3       16   
   Kentucky        7       Marshall High School    2018    2       0   
   New Mexico      8       Aztec High School       2017    2       1   
   California      9       Santee school massacre  2001    2       17   
   California      10      Costa Mesa school       1999    2       19   
      
      
   This is according to Wikipedia   
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres_by_death_toll   
   And I added in the Aurora Batman killer because he was a graduate student.   
      
   This is a total body count of 177 in 20 years, or 8.85 per year.   
      
   These are student massacres and should be distinguished from ISIL/Al Qaeda.   
      
   The number of massacres has seemed higher due to ISIL/Al Qaeda.  More on this   
   below.   
      
   In a country of 320 million, per capita, this would be as if there were 2 and   
   2 in   
   France (60MM/320MM), or 4 total in the last 20 years.  For instance in   
   California   
   at 10% the U.S. population, per capita, there would have been 1 and and 1, or 2   
   total in the past 20 years.  California - a country that is 2/3rds the size of   
   France by population.  (As chance has it, perhaps it's momentarily   
   disproportionate a bit to California - Yet a State with the toughest gun laws.)   
      
   Perhaps not many massacres.  Yet still, why are these students going postal.    
   If   
   these students are merely at the helm, how many more are unhappy, and yet not   
   acting on their discontent.   
      
   Thus, in spite of the fact that massacres are no impetus in the least to ban   
   guns,   
   we still have to stop these students from going postal.  It's somebody's   
   responsibility.   
      
   Thus, I want to stop unrightful gun massacres as much as you do.  But I want to   
   stop them, in a holistic, human, non destructive way, that protects our   
   freedoms,   
   and even does not seek merely to make powerless those who would assail us, -   
   and   
   thereby treat the symptom and not the disease while would-be assailants   
   suffer, -   
   but to conceive of solutions that treat the disease, and not merely the   
   symptom,   
   to figure out why, these massacres by students, and some merely poor and   
   unemployed people - Sandy Hook / Las Vegas - (left out above, (discussed   
   further   
   later)) are occurring, and to address the actual causes of these horrible   
   attacks.   
      
   It's important to exemplify that students are poor.   
      
   People gainfully employed, at happy jobs, are not committing massacres at the   
   moment.  ((Though you can study a list at the bottom of this post later to   
   confirm   
   this.))   
      
   Teens armed with guns will defend themselves against guns, knives, and cars,   
   but   
   what about pressure cooker bombs and other bombs, and what about people   
   shooting   
   from high up.  Teens won't use the guns in violence, unless adults try to rule   
   them with murder as police officers do, and as all adults who today try to rule   
   teens, implicitly do.  This is not just insult, but murderous insult with   
   violence   
   implied.  Thus recognizing minor's rights is required.   
      
   Recognizing minors rights or clarifying some of them, might be a thought.  They   
   are not children after age eleven.  They are meant to be brought up, and not   
   belittled.  If kids grow up fast these days, it's because they always have.    
   They   
   deserve respect from ages 11-17.  But their maturity should not be used to   
   persecute them.  I think the problem is too many negative people in the world.   
      
      
   The number of massacres has seemed higher due to ISIL/Al Qaeda   
      
   The homicide rate is five times higher in the United States in than in Modern   
   Western European countries.  The prison population is ten times higher.  For   
   every   
   one prisoner in Western Europe, the United States has ten.  For every one   
   murder   
   in the Western Europe, the United States has five.   
      
   Guns are not all that are used in massacres:   
      
   In Nice a terrorist killed 87 people with a cargo truck in 2016.   
   In Britain a terrorist killed 23 people with a homemade bomb in 2017.   
   In China, a terrorists killed 33, 9, and 7 with knives in 2014 2010 and 2010,   
   respectively.   
      
   We want to make America happy again.  This is not done through prohibition and   
   taking people's freedoms away.  This is not done through controlling people and   
   making them powerless.  The problem is deeper and needs to be holistically   
   addressed and solved.  And yes we deserve to solve it.  Two of the above   
   examples   
   of attacks are by ISIL.  At least six horrendous attacks by ISIL/Al Qaeda have   
   occurred recently in the United States:  Orlando, the Boston Marathon, San   
   Bernardino, the New York City Truck Attack, Fort Hood, and Ohio State.    
   Students   
   are not ISIL.  But armed teachers will not protect students at a movie theater   
   on   
   a Friday evening.  The errors or lies people spout, will not protect us.  The   
   Batman killer was a graduate student who killed 12 people at a movie theater.   
      
      
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