XPost: can.general, can.politics, ott.general   
   From: nospam@thanksalot.com   
      
   John Fleming wrote:   
   > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:22:57 -0700, while chained to a desk   
   > in the scriptorium "merlin!"  wrote:   
   >> $John Fleming wrote:   
   >   
   >> $> All I said was, if you want to know how to make a marriage   
   >> $> last, it doesn't hurt to ask someone who made a marriage   
   >> $> last how they did it.  I doubt your situation is so unique   
   >> $> they haven't faced a lot of the same problems and issues   
   >> $> that you are facing.  They figured out how to do it; learn   
   >> $> from them.   
   >> $   
   >> $You seem to be very resistant to the idea that anyone can ever have   
   >> any $problems that aren't of their own creation. No matter what   
   >> happens, you $ascribe everything to personal failings and/or   
   >> negligence. Can you see the $problem with your viewpoint, or are you   
   >> truly that blind?   
   >   
   > It doesn't matter if you created the problem or somebody   
   > else created it.  It is up to YOU to solve it.   
      
   Lovely idea. Unfortunately, there are far too many people like yourself,   
   denying that such problems even exist, so any effort towards solving it is   
   met with the usual volley of "it's your own fault and you deserve it...".   
   I think you do that so you can avoid facing your own role in all this.   
      
      
   >> $> [snip]   
   >> $>   
   >> $>> $>> $We are all pretty much in the same boat, and nothing changes   
   >> $>> $>> because there $are far too many "I'm alright, jack" people   
   >> like $>> you $>> in the world, who $really do not give a rat's ass   
   >> about $>> anyone $>> except themselves. You really $believe you are   
   >> exempt? I $>> suggest $>> that as long as you keep your head down,   
   >> $say little, $>> and tow the $>> line - you'll probably be okay.   
   >> Obedient slaves $>> $usually do okay for $>> themselves.   
   >> $>> $>   
   >> $>> $> Is that the kind of place you work?   
   >> $>> $   
   >> $>> $Yes, I work in Canada. That's how it is here.   
   >> $>   
   >> $> It doesn't work that way everywhere in Canada.   
   >> $   
   >> $Actually, I think it does work that way, but a lot of people simply   
   >> are $not aware of it.   
   >   
   > BS.   
      
   My observation is that things do work that way here. Not for those who   
   keep their head down and say little, of course. Now, for those who defend   
   and promote the status quo, deny its flaws, and support causes that   
   increase the power of our ruling cliques... rewards are bestowed.   
      
      
   >   
   >> $>> $> One where you keep your   
   >> $>> $> head down, say little and toe the line?  Hope nobody notices   
   >> $>> $> you are there?  Perhaps just keeping a seat warm?  Because   
   >> $>> $> if that is what they expect of their employees, I don't want   
   >> $>> $> to work there.   
   >> $>> $   
   >> $>> $It's what they expect of citizens, yes. Or else.   
   >> $>   
   >> $> No, it is not what they expect of citizens.  It is what your   
   >> $> employer expects of you.   
   >> $   
   >> $Not my employer, but the government certainly does. Or else.   
   >   
   > BS   
      
   Again, my experience is as I said.   
      
      
   >> $>> $> I'd rather work somewhere where I am recognized for the   
   >> $>> $> contribution I make make to the organization.  Where   
   >> $>> $> decision makers know who I am and what I do.   
   >> $>> $   
   >> $>> $Yes, that would be nice, but it isn't the way things work.   
   >> $>   
   >> $> Get your blinders off.  There are lots of places in Canada   
   >> $> where they value their employees for their contribution and   
   >> $> not for their ability to keep seats warm.   
   >> $   
   >> $Oh. Where are those places?   
   >   
   > Look around you.  They are everywhere.  Just about   
   > everywhere I've worked has valued employees for their   
   > contribution.   
      
   I was hoping you might identify them, so I could check their postings.   
   Airy-fairy hand-waving doesn't quite do it. If you don't know of any such   
   employers, then simply admit you fibbed and move on.   
      
      
   >> $> [snip]   
   >> $>   
   >> $>> $>> $That is a nice plan for rich people or those with secure   
   >> jobs, $>> not $>> the $average working guy. By the time you pay the   
   >> bills and $>> feed the $>> kids and $cover the taxes, most people   
   >> have nothing $>> left. That is $>> the reality for $probably the   
   >> majority of families $>> in this country, $>> and if they dare to   
   >> $complain then the $>> socialists call them greedy $>> and people   
   >> like you call $them $>> stupid. In reality, they are neither. $>   
   >> $>> $> It's a nice plan for *everybody*.   
   >> $>> $   
   >> $>> $Sure is, but only rich people or well-connected people have the   
   >> $>> luxury of $implementing it it.   
   >> $>   
   >> $> It's a nice plan for *everybody*.   
   >> $   
   >> $But only some can actually implement it. Some have problems beyond   
   >> their $control, problems perhaps not of their own making, that   
   >> preclude $implementing such plans. Why are you so resistant to this   
   >> (rather ovious) $common sense?   
   >   
   > As I said above, it doesn't matter who creates your   
   > problems.  It is up to you to solve them.   
      
   Sometimes, "solving" the problem means dealing with the arrogant,   
   self-righteous, judmental pricks who create the problems. I thank you for   
   helping educate me about the perverse mind-set of such people.   
      
      
   > And if I am resistant to your "common sense", it is because   
   > my experience tells me otherwise.   
      
   You do not have that experience. I do.   
      
      
   > If building a strong financial foundation is a priority, you   
   > will find a way to do it.   
      
   That is not very difficult to do. The techniques are rather simple and   
   obvious. What is not so simple and obvious is what to do about corrupt   
   arrogant pricks with too much power and not enough brains, who seem to   
   delight in screwing people over - just because they can.   
      
      
   >> $> And you don't need to be rich or welll-connected to   
   >> $> implement it.  You just having to make it a higher priority   
   >> $> than spending Friday nights down at the bar with your   
   >> $> buddies or buying Lotto 6/49 tickets in the hope that you   
   >> $> have the one ticket in eight million that wins big or buying   
   >> $> a 60" TV when a 36" will do..   
   >> $   
   >> $That may be true for some, but not all.   
   >   
   > You're just being a whiner trying to come up with excuses   
   > why a better financial life can't be yours.   
      
   What are you, man? Some freaking infomercial mouthpiece for an   
   investment/insurance company? You are full of crap, you know?   
      
      
   > If you spent half as much time solving your problems as you   
   > do complaining about them, you'd be streets ahead.   
      
   What do you know about anything I have done, or not done, or tried to do?   
   You sound like some sort of snake-oil salesman, peddiling a cure-all   
   tonic.   
      
   >   
   >> $>> $> If you don't have a secure job, having emergency funds to   
   >> $>> $> cover three to six months expenses is even more important.   
   >> $>> $> Like, how are you going to buy groceries and pay the rent if   
   >> $>> $> you lose your job and don't have some cash available?   
   >> $>> $>   
   >> $>> $> Remember, as a general rule, the biggest emergency most   
   >> $>> $> people with a secure job have to deal with is a furnace   
      
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