XPost: can.general, can.politics, ott.general   
   From: nospam@thanksalot.com   
      
   John Fleming wrote:   
   > On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:31:39 -0700, while chained to a desk   
   > in the scriptorium "merlin!"  wrote:   
   >> $John Fleming wrote:   
   >> $> On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:22:57 -0700, while chained to a desk   
   >> $> in the scriptorium "merlin!"  wrote:   
   >> $>> $John Fleming wrote:   
   >> $>   
   >> $>> $> All I said was, if you want to know how to make a marriage   
   >> $>> $> last, it doesn't hurt to ask someone who made a marriage   
   >> $>> $> last how they did it.  I doubt your situation is so unique   
   >> $>> $> they haven't faced a lot of the same problems and issues   
   >> $>> $> that you are facing.  They figured out how to do it; learn   
   >> $>> $> from them.   
   >> $>> $   
   >> $>> $You seem to be very resistant to the idea that anyone can ever   
   >> have $>> any $problems that aren't of their own creation. No matter   
   >> what $>> happens, you $ascribe everything to personal failings and/or   
   >> $>> negligence. Can you see the $problem with your viewpoint, or are   
   >> you $>> truly that blind?   
   >> $>   
   >> $> It doesn't matter if you created the problem or somebody   
   >> $> else created it.  It is up to YOU to solve it.   
   >> $   
   >> $Lovely idea. Unfortunately, there are far too many people like   
   >> yourself, $denying that such problems even exist, so any effort   
   >> towards solving it is $met with the usual volley of "it's your own   
   >> fault and you deserve it...". $I think you do that so you can avoid   
   >> facing your own role in all this.   
   >   
   > It's up to you to solve your problems.   
   >   
   > You can ask other people for help.  But don't expect them to   
   > help you if you aren't willing to put in some effort on your   
   > own behalf.   
      
   WTF are you trying to say? You are completely, stupid.   
      
      
   >> $>> $> [snip]   
   >> $>> $>   
   >> $>> $>> $>> $We are all pretty much in the same boat, and nothing   
   >> changes $>> $>> $>> because there $are far too many "I'm alright,   
   >> jack" people $>> like $>> you $>> in the world, who $really do not   
   >> give a rat's ass $>> about $>> anyone $>> except themselves. You   
   >> really $believe you are $>> exempt? I $>> suggest $>> that as long   
   >> as you keep your head down, $>> $say little, $>> and tow the $>>   
   >> line - you'll probably be okay. $>> Obedient slaves $>> $usually do   
   >> okay for $>> themselves. $>> $>> $>   
   >> $>> $>> $> Is that the kind of place you work?   
   >> $>> $>> $   
   >> $>> $>> $Yes, I work in Canada. That's how it is here.   
   >> $>> $>   
   >> $>> $> It doesn't work that way everywhere in Canada.   
   >> $>> $   
   >> $>> $Actually, I think it does work that way, but a lot of people   
   >> simply $>> are $not aware of it.   
   >> $>   
   >> $> BS.   
   >> $   
   >> $My observation is that things do work that way here. Not for those   
   >> who $keep their head down and say little, of course. Now, for those   
   >> who defend $and promote the status quo, deny its flaws, and support   
   >> causes that $increase the power of our ruling cliques... rewards are   
   >> bestowed.   
   >   
   > BS   
      
   Experience and knowledge trumps your hollow insult.   
      
   >   
   >> $>> $>> $> One where you keep your   
   >> $>> $>> $> head down, say little and toe the line?  Hope nobody   
   >> notices $>> $>> $> you are there?  Perhaps just keeping a seat warm?   
   >> Because $>> $>> $> if that is what they expect of their employees, I   
   >> don't want $>> $>> $> to work there.   
   >> $>> $>> $   
   >> $>> $>> $It's what they expect of citizens, yes. Or else.   
   >> $>> $>   
   >> $>> $> No, it is not what they expect of citizens.  It is what your   
   >> $>> $> employer expects of you.   
   >> $>> $   
   >> $>> $Not my employer, but the government certainly does. Or else.   
   >> $>   
   >> $> BS   
   >> $   
   >> $Again, my experience is as I said.   
   >   
   > More BS.   
      
   More experience and more knowledge trumps your silly assertion.   
      
   >   
   >> $>> $>> $> I'd rather work somewhere where I am recognized for the   
   >> $>> $>> $> contribution I make make to the organization.  Where   
   >> $>> $>> $> decision makers know who I am and what I do.   
   >> $>> $>> $   
   >> $>> $>> $Yes, that would be nice, but it isn't the way things work.   
   >> $>> $>   
   >> $>> $> Get your blinders off.  There are lots of places in Canada   
   >> $>> $> where they value their employees for their contribution and   
   >> $>> $> not for their ability to keep seats warm.   
   >> $>> $   
   >> $>> $Oh. Where are those places?   
   >> $>   
   >> $> Look around you.  They are everywhere.  Just about   
   >> $> everywhere I've worked has valued employees for their   
   >> $> contribution.   
   >> $   
   >> $I was hoping you might identify them, so I could check their   
   >> postings. $Airy-fairy hand-waving doesn't quite do it. If you don't   
   >> know of any such $employers, then simply admit you fibbed and move   
   >> on.   
   >   
   > They are all around you if you just open your eyes.   
      
   Name one, smartboy.   
      
      
   >> $>> $> [snip]   
   >> $>> $>   
   >> $>> $>> $>> $That is a nice plan for rich people or those with secure   
   >> $>> jobs, $>> not $>> the $average working guy. By the time you pay   
   >> the $>> bills and $>> feed the $>> kids and $cover the taxes, most   
   >> people $>> have nothing $>> left. That is $>> the reality for   
   >> $probably the $>> majority of families $>> in this country, $>> and   
   >> if they dare to $>> $complain then the $>> socialists call them   
   >> greedy $>> and people $>> like you call $them $>> stupid. In   
   >> reality, they are neither. $> $>> $>> $> It's a nice plan for   
   >> *everybody*. $>> $>> $   
   >> $>> $>> $Sure is, but only rich people or well-connected people have   
   >> the $>> $>> luxury of $implementing it it.   
   >> $>> $>   
   >> $>> $> It's a nice plan for *everybody*.   
   >> $>> $   
   >> $>> $But only some can actually implement it. Some have problems   
   >> beyond $>> their $control, problems perhaps not of their own making,   
   >> that $>> preclude $implementing such plans. Why are you so resistant   
   >> to this $>> (rather ovious) $common sense?   
   >> $>   
   >> $> As I said above, it doesn't matter who creates your   
   >> $> problems.  It is up to you to solve them.   
   >> $   
   >> $Sometimes, "solving" the problem means dealing with the arrogant,   
   >> $self-righteous, judmental pricks who create the problems. I thank   
   >> you for $helping educate me about the perverse mind-set of such   
   >> people. $   
   >> $   
   >> $> And if I am resistant to your "common sense", it is because   
   >> $> my experience tells me otherwise.   
   >> $   
   >> $You do not have that experience. I do.   
   >   
   > Nor would I want it.   
      
   That's the first intelligent thing you have said in this entire thread.   
   You are goddam right you don't want it, and neither did I. But the longer   
   you keep your head buried in the sand and ignore what's happening, the   
   more likely you are to have it happen to you, or to someonae close to you.   
   I really don't know why I bother with smug bastards like you because you   
   are so full of shit that there is no room in your head for anything else.   
      
      
   >> $> If building a strong financial foundation is a priority, you   
   >> $> will find a way to do it.   
   >> $   
      
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