XPost: can.general, can.politics, ott.general   
   From: Canuck57@nospam.com   
      
   On 01/11/2011 4:23 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote:   
   > On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:17:33 -0700, Alan Baggett wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   >> It turns out that all taxpayers in Canada can be slotted into six   
   >> groups, from “law abiders” to “outlaws.”   
   >>   
   >   
   > Taxpayers can also be accurately slottet in "Those with more than 2 heads"   
   > and those with one or less.  Or just as readily "Those who work for   
   Government   
   > Agencies and lie about others for fun and profit" and those who don't.   
   >   
   > The tax dept. doesn't get that lots of human economic activity has *no*   
   > monetary value assigned to it.   
   >   
   > Dhu   
      
   Yes, government doesn't get it.  Wealth is produced when there is   
   product that didn't exist before.  Everything else is consumption.   
   Government is pure consumption side of things.  While government can   
   spend, bailout, corruption spend and make individuals wealthy, it cannot   
   create wealth.  A difficult concept for many and never met a fleabagger   
   that even tried to understand the concept.   
      
   When government is building a road, it does so by confiscating wealth   
   from producers to reinvest in making the economy produce more.  In the   
   exercise, wealth is consumed, not made.  Producer's benefit as the road   
   makes business easier.   
      
   When government sucks to much, it is like cutting the grass too low, a   
   lower yield in future crops (depression/recession) due to damages done   
   to the grass.  There is an optimum height to cut the grass and   
   government is far over the line.   
      
   At least when government builds a road, sewer, K12 school they are   
   investing for future benefit for more efficient producers.  Thus more   
   producers.  Problems come in when wealth is remove in non-returning   
   endeavors like EI, welfare waste, bailouts, grants of no residual value,   
   UN, IMF and other egalitarian BS.   
      
   So we buy bombs for foreign countries with almost a zero return if any,   
   and lay off teachers raising K12 future taxpayers, just seems ike   
   government is shooting the country in the head.  But Carney can print it   
   to distribute the inflation and unemployment across the country for   
   "just more debt".   
      
   Wealth cost to society for a GM like bailout is huge, where as a bridge   
   that lasts 100 years has a return for the consumption.  GM, bank debt   
   welshing was a huge rape of taxpayers via debt-tax slavery.   
      
   So to get $100 of labour in our current regressive tax system, I need to   
   make $500.  Yep, $500.  $280 will go to civic/prov/fed taxes on time and   
   material, excise or something. Leaving $220.  I pay the laborer $220,   
   they pay CPP/EI/taxes/civic/prov/fed and labour insurances.  Leaving the   
   worker with $100.   
      
   But wait, the worker hasn't spent it yet, so GST/PST/excise/hidden   
   taxes, high taxes on the retailer, retail employee, management,   
   union.....easy eat another 1/2 at least.  So $500 becomes $50 of value   
   in just one high labour turn.  Just hyper inflates the economy.  Once   
   collapse starts, it is like a snake eating its own tail and almost   
   impossible to stop without a radical government shutdown of waste.   
      
   This is why Greece really collapsed, the greedy government borrows on   
   the hyper-inflated economy and one down tick the whole house of cards   
   comes crashing down.  So government prints money, causing inflation, and   
   people acquire fewer goods as incomes are stagnant...employing fewer   
   people because few goods consumed.   
      
   And why Canada is uncompetitive.  Chinese middle class ultimately pay a   
   small fraction of what we pay.  And when hey spend a Yuan, they get more   
   in value.   
      
   Yet Ottawa and liberal fleabaggger economists like Carney/Bernanke have   
   their shoulders suck to their ass on this these basic "conservative"   
   economics because politicians don't want nor deal with the rel truth and   
   reality.  Just more government bullshit and blood sucking.   
      
   But we have big fat government we can't afford, charge it to the grand   
   kids seems to be the selfish greedy mentality.  Debtors denial.   
   --   
   The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is   
   the problem.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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