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   Canuck57 to All   
   Great Canadian Political Farce - F35s   
   13 Nov 11 17:44:35   
   
   From: Canuck57@nospam.com   
      
   Ottawa must be a puppet of the US DC.  Maybe call Harper and parliament   
   the "USA Secretary of the Canadian Territory" on this one.  Bilking   
   Canadian taxpayers for US F35 development wand war mongering.  Some facts.   
      
   USA spends more on war machines and military than the top other 25   
   countries combined!!!  Makes one wonder if the USA is at war with the   
   world?  Yep, military strong and economically dead economy.   
   Historically, a dangerous mix as WW I and WW II Germany was in the same   
   economic crapper as the USA is today, too much money print.  But I digress.   
      
   F35s have only one engine, Arctic and over the ocean is safer period.   
   Just a mathematical certainty.  Russians know it.   
      
   How many know modernized F18s are still being made for 1/4 the cost of a   
   F35?  And most countries Canada size and smaller prefer them.  Less   
   training, safer....  a 4:1 price differential all told.  Even gets   
   better when training, munitions and spare parts are involved.   
      
   F18s even fly faster, a huge bonus given Canada's size.  Quicker to the   
   theater of conflict.  Yep, F18s can outrun F35s.  Do we need stealth   
   against domestic threats?  Ever heard of a 777 firing missiles?   
      
   We didn't even use the F18s we have out of Comox to do a flyby of the   
   Tamil ships.  Might be better with a new helicopter like an Apache.   
      
   Here is the scary part, F35s are obsolete and expensive in that at least   
   3 other military aircraft have the capabilities of shooting down a F35   
   without much effort.  And F18 can carry much of the same weapons.   
      
   For domestic uses, our threats are hijacked planes, planes used as   
   weapons, perhaps choppers in the same way, or perhaps a boat...  In   
   which case an F18 is superior as it goes faster for the intercept.  And   
   last I checked, an F35 or F18 isn't going to be much of a match for a   
   hijacked Cessna anything.  Fitness to task, F18 wins.   
      
   Now a Russian T-50 coming online now would make mince meat out out of   
   F35s.  Expect a 10:1 kill ration in favor of the Russians here.   
   Interesting how Russians stick with the 2 engine design and only the F18   
   can outrun them.  Hey, survivability of our pilots is a concern.   
      
   But the real threat is USA.  No mater what we do, we could not defend   
   ourself from the south.  So F18s are better for Canada and they still   
   make them.  Less buggy too as it has decades of improvements for   
   reliability.  Even lands on a carrier if you order the right model, the   
   F35s we ordered cannot.   
      
   And think, if we ordered Russian Sukhoi Su-30 you get them loaded at a   
   small cost of $33M a copy, and go much faster than a F18 or F35...50%   
   faster than a F35.  Yep, for $33 billion we can have 60 F35s or we could   
   get 1000 Su-30 that go fast....  China, India, Malaysia and others use them.   
      
   So why is Ottawa mortgaging our grand kids future with more debt-tax   
   slavery so we can buy expensive toys?  Subsidizing he US war machine   
   empire at Canadian taxpayers expense isn't justification, it is   
   political corrupt and egalitarianism.   
      
   But sure isn't as bad as the Liberal purchase of UK obsolete and   
   serviceable subs.   
      
   Don't get me wrong on this, our service personal on the rank and file   
   are the best.  The cream of the crop. But the strategic leadership and   
   politicians have their heads where the sun never shines.   
      
   What were these idiots in Ottawa thinking?  Wasting our money to keep us   
   good working poor debt-tax slaves?   
   --   
   The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is   
   the problem.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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