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|    Roar of objections to imposing death dut    |
|    07 Aug 18 16:25:00    |
      From: AlanBaggett@volcanomail.com              Roar of objections to imposing death duties on Canadians :CRA SOTW              An attempt to understand Canada's inheritance tax backlash: Don Pittis              Don Pittis • CBC News •              Anyone who thinks the CBC does not serve conservative-leaning Canadians should       look at the comments for a recent online story about inheritance taxes.              The article was based on a report about the wide gulf between rich and poor       issued by the left-leaning Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives think-tank.       The report suggested the lack of an inheritance tax in this country makes       inequality worse.              Other countries, including Britain and the United States, have 40 per cent       inheritance taxes that kick in if people are rich enough. In the U.S., you       have to have about $11 million when you die for your estate to pay death       duties.              Death and no taxes       Canada used to have an inheritance tax, but as of 1972 the Canadian death duty       rate dropped to zero.              Of course, that's not the whole story (more on that in a bit). But the really       interesting thing was the reaction to the think-tank's proposal that estates       worth more than $5 million be subject to a 45 per cent tax.              Of the roughly 3,000 people who commented, a large number — and generally       the most strident voices — condemned the idea. Many Twitter responses did so       as well.              Mark Scott, for example, tweeted that he would leave Canada if such a tax were       ever applied.               Depending on your religious views, you really do have to depart — if just to       the Great Beyond — in order to pay death duties.              But if you do decide to leave Canada before you die, choose your country       wisely. The U.S. isn't the only place to have an inheritance tax. Most rich       countries have one, or like Canada, something roughly equivalent. Japan takes       half. Tax havens such as        the Channel Islands and the Caymans are among the few safe spots.              Unlike in so many other cases, the usual warning that if Canada doesn't do the       same as the U.S., rich Canadians will take their money bags and head south,       does not apply.              Lucky to pay high taxes       Perhaps more interesting was the angry reaction from people who probably have       little prospect of being affected by the hypothetical tax anyway. It's hard to       imagine all the comments at the bottom of the inheritance story were from the       richest group of        Canadians known as the "one per cent," or even from the "10 per cent."              Instead, the tone is very much Joe and Josephine Canadian. And as that       inheritance report points out, the vast majority of Canadians can never aspire       to pay death duties. They should be so lucky!              As the article reminds us, half of all Canadian families have net assets worth       less than $300,000. Even the relatively well-off, with say, a paid-off home in       Vancouver and a million dollar retirement nest egg, won't pass the $5-million       threshold.              So why the backlash? According to research in the U.S. by scholar Dianna       Muntz, the main cause of conservative anger that fired up working-class       supporters of Donald Trump during the 2016 presidential election was status       threat.              It wasn't so much that people were poorer, although they may have been, but       that they were afraid that they were losing what they had, "a sense that white       Americans are under siege by these engines of change," wrote Muntz.              Man on horse wanted       And according to Canadian data from Ekos Research released earlier this year,       a similar kind of populist backlash seems to be brewing here in Canada. Last       Friday's report on growing anger over illegal border crossings seems to       support the theory.              Ekos founder and president Frank Graves says the rejection of inheritance tax       is just one part of a wider phenomenon demonstrated in his polling. He pointed       to the election of Doug Ford as premier in Ontario as an example of its       impact. Most of Ford's        supporters declared themselves to be working class.              When people feel threatened by change, he says, they don't necessarily look       for logical solutions such as income redistribution from the very rich to       people like them. Instead, the part of the collective personality that seeks       strong leadership and order        comes out.              "It looks for the man on the horse, the strong man," Graves says. "It also       looks for decisive government action."              Research by Graves and others shows that under what some call "ordered       populism," people turn against progressive action that they would have       supported when they felt secure. That includes sharing wealth through       government transfers — even if they        would benefit. He says research shows that explaining the advantages of tax       transfers to poorer people can make them change their position on such       transfers.              As to solving inequality with inheritance taxes, the U.S and Britain, two of       the most unequal of the rich countries, are hardly proof it works. Good public       education for everyone has been shown to work better. And it makes a county       richer in the long        term.              And as for leaving Canada if it were to introduce death duties, it may not be       worth your while. Under the tax provisions introduced in 1972, inheritance tax       was cut to zero, but a provision on capital gains was added. Bringing back       death duties would        likely mean the two would be switched again to avoid double taxation.              Right now, if you die at 85 and bequeath a cottage lot you bought for a few       thousand bucks to the grandkids, you (or, rather, having passed on, your       estate) must pretend you sold it at the $500,000 it is worth today, treat that       notional increase as        capital gains and pay the appropriate tax. Same applies to other assets. And,       sorry, no $5-million minimum.              So no, even in wonderful Canada, you can't escape death or taxes.              Follow Don on Twitter @don_pittis                     -----------------------------------------------------------        Miss a Tax Tale Miss a lot!        Pop the link below into your browser to view the entire CRA SOTW        Library!        http://canada.revenue.agency.angelfire.com        ------------------------------------------------------------        Alan Baggett - http://www.taxcollectorsbible.com/ - Tax Collector's Bible               --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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