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   From: d@ray   
      
   NefeshBarYochai  wrote:   
   > In 1941 Ukraine, 33,771  Jews were killed  at Babi Yar   
      
   No, they weren’t. No one ever seen the corpses of these Jews. Supposedly   
   Germans dug them back up and burned them on pyres, all without leaving a   
   trace. After the war the place itself became the bottom of the lake when   
   USSR built a dam nearby. That’s official story. All we have now is bullshit   
   like this from Eli Wiesel:   
      
   “Later I learned from a witness that for months and months the ground had   
   not stopped trembling; and that from time to time geysers of blood had   
   spurted out.”   
      
   Geysers of blood, trust me bro.   
      
   In reality, Soviets came up with this bullshit when their role in Katyn   
   massacre became publicly available. Even Western journalists at the time   
   didn’t really believe them.   
      
   German mainstream historian Dr. Joachim Hoffmann wrote (2001, pp. 215f.):   
      
   “The NKVD introduced the previously unknown Ravine of the Old Woman into   
   Soviet war propaganda in November 1943 for the first time in connection   
   with the desperate attempts at concealment in the Katyn case. Soon after   
   the recapture of the Ukrainian capital, a party of Western press   
   correspondents was invited by the Soviets to inspect the ravine of Babi   
   Yar, now alleged to be the location of the massacre. Material proof,   
   however, seems to have been a bit scanty. An evaluation of the numerous air   
   photos in recent years apparently leads to the conclusion that, in contrast   
   to the clearly visible, extensive mass graves dug by the NKVD at Bykovnia   
   (Bykivnia), Darnica, and Bielhorodka, and in contrast to the clearly   
   visible mass graves at Katyn [...] the terrain of the ravine of Babi Yar   
   remained undisturbed between 1939 and 1944, i.e., including the years of   
   German occupation. To shore up the allegation that the Germans shot   
   ‘between 50,000 and 80,000 Jewish men, women, and children with machine   
   guns,’ in the ravine of Babi Yar, the NKVD rehearsed three so-called   
   witnesses in 1943, whose tales, however, merely aroused the skepticism of   
   news correspondents, particularly Lawrence, the experienced representative   
   of the New York Times. On November 29, 1943, the New York Times published   
   an article, purged of the crudest Soviet untruths relating to ‘Soviet   
   partisans’ and ‘gas vans,’ entitled ‘50,000 Jews Reported Killed,’   
   nevertheless, accompanied by the remarkable subtitle, ‘Remaining Evidence   
   is Scanty,’ indicating that the NKVD efforts to convince the world had been   
   something of a failure.”   
      
   Weird that Soviets themselves never bothered to burn the victims of their   
   massacres ’without a trace’. I wonder why is that.   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
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