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   From: muratlanne@gmail.com   
      
   "a425couple"  wrote in message news:8HqpP.4$4mJa.0@fx03.iad...   
      
   Consider what’s happened so far. The president can’t change the   
   Constitution, so Trump’s executive order claiming to roll back   
   birthright citizenship is beyond his power. A court has already said so,   
   blocking the order from going into effect. Trump could appeal all the   
   way to the Supreme Court, but it’s not going to make any difference. The   
   high court is not going to announce a brand-new, made-up interpretation   
   of the 14th Amendment.   
      
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   That case may depend on whether or not migrants or others (assassins,   
   smugglers, spies, saboteurs) who sneak in and avoid authorities are under de   
   facto US jurisdiction, though we might wish them to be. There are too many   
   historical variations, precedents and conflicting interests in protecting   
   our covert operatives while punishing foreign ones for this to be an easy   
   question.   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant   
   "In the United States, the Military Commissions Act of 2006 codified the   
   legal definition of this term and invested the U.S. President with broad   
   discretion to determine whether a person may be designated an unlawful enemy   
   combatant under United States law."   
      
   An example of how messy this can be is the Rosenbergs whose spying was   
   detected by decoding Soviet communications. We knew what they had done but   
   revealing how we knew in court would cause the encryption to change and cut   
   off further access.   
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project   
      
   Another is the Zimmerman Telegram that pulled the US into WW1. The German   
   message to Mexico passed through the USA so in essence the British agents   
   who decoded it were spying on Americans. They weaseled out by claiming a   
   different source.   
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_telegram   
   "The Germans handed in messages to the American embassy in Berlin, which   
   were relayed to the embassy in Denmark and then to the United States by   
   American telegraph operators. The Germans assumed that this route was secure   
   and so used it extensively."   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)