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 AA> Are you hooked up with HOME-n-GRDN yet?   I posted something in there,
 AA> but maybe the intermediate hubs have long gone dropped it?
 AA> 

I received a "rules" auto-bot but thats about it.  I'll double check today,
maybe post a quick test message and I'll reply if I get it :)

 AA> Is there an inexpensive way to get rid of the grass and weeds once and
 AA> for all?  And don't say Roundup. :/
 AA> 

No weed spray is permanent .. you CAN use round up and enjoy the dirt for
good majority of the year, however dirt and sun is present, weeds will always
grow.  There are millions of weed seeds that live in the soil, blow through
the air, and that birds and other wildlife "dispense of."  The lowest
maintenance solution is gravel; and to help ensure weeds don't grow from the
soil through the gravel would be a good landscape fabric and /or plastic. 
It's not the "most affordable" solution, but the lowest maintenance.  Many
times a gravel yard will bring it out and relatively level it for nothing
more than the delivery fee.  And gravels is rather cheap per the ton. 
However, that would require the owners permission of course.  

The other alternative to weed control is to get grass growing well.  The best
time to plant seed is in fall when temperatures are cooler.  A good
overseeding, starter fertilizer (If you can get it where you live, it has
potash in it ..) lightly blanketed with loose straw, and lightly watered to
keep the seed moist until it sprouts, will get the grass up and growing
better then in temperatures over 80 degrees.  The obvious challenge is that
any grass wil not handle the heavy traffic of vehicles, which is why I'd lean
more toward gravel for the area pictured.  I would think the owner should own
or split the expense which can help.  

Otherwise, I'm afraid your only option to killing off grass AND weeds is
roundup.  That or diesel fuel I hear does the trick :)  I can't imagine that
smelling well, nor be safe to "apply' during the heat.  

Vinegar does NOT work, so regardless of what you read, Vinegar would be
considered a contact herbicide if used for this purpose, and at best just
temporarly injurs the leaves of the plant, small ones will die, but not most
of what I see in the picture.  To kill off thistle and any root spreading
weed, a systemic herbicide is necessary -- gets into the plant and blocks a
function of photosynthesis, causing the plant to fail, down to the root. 
Most systemic herbicides are designed not to kill grass, other then the
"grass and weed killers" which all share the same basic chemical as round-up,
just under a different label.

Hope this helps...

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