XPost: alt.politics, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.art-bell   
   From: leg@sea   
      
   Scout wrote:   
   > leg@sea wrote:   
   >> RD (The Sandman) wrote:   
   >>> "leg@sea"  wrote in   
   >>> news:hchrou$c9t$13@news.eternal-september.org:   
   >>>   
   >>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:   
   >>>>> Matt  wrote in   
   >>>>> news:e5c6e48b-b2b6-4bb8-b0cd-519bf40a4191@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com   
   >>>>>> On Oct 30, 2:34 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:   
   >>>>>>> "leg@sea"  wrote innews:hcfe6s$aeg$1@news.eternal-   
   >>>>>>> september.org:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Matt wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Oct 29, 8:29 pm, "leg@sea"  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 7:09 pm, "leg@sea"  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Telles felches spaniels in the break room.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Blah blah blah, Spammy is the 12 year old that rapes little   
   >>>>>>>>>>> boys. Point proven.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Matt   
   >>>>>>>>>> How's life by the reservoir, shall we up the ante?   
   >>>>>>>>> Wow, you mean you are going to reveal my (*gasp*) name and   
   >>>>>>>>> address, Spammy? Gee, anyone with a PHONE BOOK can do that.   
   >>>>>>>> I _sure hope_ none of those 'crazed' gun owners you're always   
   >>>>>>>> trying to disenfranchise finds there was over to Lakewood,   
   >>>>>>>> Colorado, Matty...   
   >>>>>>> They probably won't pay any attention to his address.....after   
   >>>>>>> all, the vast majority of them are adult enough to realize that   
   >>>>>>> differences of opinion exist....and always will.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Done raping the 12 year old boys, Spammy?   
   >>>>>>>> Done trying to take away peoples' rights to own guns Matty?   
   >>>>>>> He hasn't tried to take mine away.....or yours if you have one. He   
   >>>>>>> simply has different ideas on gun control.   
   >>>>>> Eh, Spammy and I go way back to his Uncle Sam days on co.general.   
   >>>>>> Allegedly, he lives here. He doesn't like being shown up.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> As for gun control, I do have different ideas. I think that what   
   >>>>>> works in   
   >>>>>> one place won't work in another. In other words, I like the   
   >>>>>> concept of local control over matters. Does anyone truly disagree?   
   >>>>> Yep.  I believe in state control but not city by city.  Why should   
   >>>>> someone doing something perfectly legal where he lives be thrown in   
   >>>>> jail while seeing his brother a few blocks over?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> You believe that the states have the power to override the   
   >>>> CONSTITUTION?!?!?   
   >>> Nope.   
   >> Oh good!   
   >>   
   >>>> WTF is the matter with you?   
   >>> Nothing....whether or not the Second Amendment applies to the states   
   >>> hasn't been decided by the Supreme Court yet.   
   >> It does, period.   
   >>   
   >>> It is to be decided   
   >>> probably by summer in McDonald v Chicago.  However, even when it is   
   >>> decided, according to the decision in Heller, restrictions can be   
   >>> constitutional so what the amendment's application would mean will   
   >>> probably be decided on a state by state basis.   
   >> Nope.   
   >   
   > Before you get all bent out of shape, maybe I should explain RD for you (I   
   > really need to make a macro for this ). He tends to make his announcements   
   > from the POV of how things are, rather than as they should be. He typically   
   > agrees with how things should be, but still looks at it from the POV of how   
   > they are. So in the end, RD agrees that the 14th SHOULD apply the 2nd to the   
   > lower levels of government, but AT THIS TIME it doesn't.   
   >   
   > Hopefully the Chicago case coming down the pipeline will give SCOTUS a   
   > chance to correct this 'oversight' and bring the state of how things are   
   > more in line with the state of how they should be. Until they do, however,   
   > there is a major disconnect between how they are and how they should be and   
   > as long as you understand RD's POV you will understand where he is coming   
   > from.   
   >   
   > I beat my head over him for a long time before we got things straight   
   > because I always felt I understood him....then he would suddenly come out   
   > with something like this and I would go "Say what?". Just a difference in   
   > POV not a fundimental difference in our understanding of how the 14th is or   
   > should be applied.   
   >   
   > Just a little FYI.   
   >   
   >   
   Thank you, very helpful.   
      
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