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   XPost: alt.politics, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.art-bell   
   From: leg@sea   
      
   Matt wrote:   
   > On Nov 6, 10:04 am, "RD (The Sandman)"  @comcast.net> wrote:   
   >> Matt  wrote innews:64cd7060-e8e2-437f   
   abec-10f68a25c196@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >> @comcast.net> wrote:   
   >>>> Matt  wrote   
   >>>> innews:2a516e09-93ad-4cbe-93f1-a143ae   
   >>> 3bb...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:   
   >>>>> On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>> @comcast.net> wrote:   
   >>>>>> Matt  wrote in   
   >>>>>> news:c7f26fc7-8253-4119-ab1f-   
   >>>>>> a4c6c8c0b...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com:   
   >>>>>>> On Nov 5, 4:12 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> Matt  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>> news:c625d3fb-f8ab-4ef8-a74b-   
   >>>>>>>> 8ae131e3d...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>> @yahoo.com>   
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 7:26 am, Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>> @yahoo.co   
   >>>>>>> m>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt    
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see his point. The problem is, you are only looking   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> at it   
   >>>>>>>> from   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> one viewpoint.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have rights as well, and your rights stop where mine   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> start.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> My gun ownership has zero effect on your rights.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I agree.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Your gun CARRYING does have an effect on my rights.   
   >>>>>>>>>> My carrying a gun has absolutely ZERO effect on your rights.   
   >>>>>>>>> Really. "Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness".   
   >>>>>>>>> Try again. Better yet, don't. You disagree with me, and   
   >>>>>>>>> that's fine. But simply repeating the same old rhetoric with   
   >>>>>>>>> more and more hyperbole isn't getting anyone anywhere.   
   >>>>>>>> Or you.  Please be specific about how my carrying of a gun   
   >>>>>>>> affect   
   >>> s   
   >>>>>> your   
   >>>>>>>> "life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness".  None of those   
   >>>>>>>> are   
   >>>>>> affect   
   >>>>>>> ed   
   >>>>>>>> unless your pursuit of happiness includes disarming me.   
   >>>>>>> If you are carrying a gun in a place that I *Must* frequent (as   
   >>>>>>> opposed to   
   >>>>>>> may, or could) then I consider my life at risk.   
   >>>>>> Two questions:   
   >>>>>> 1.  The only place I can think of where you *MUST* frequent would   
   >>>>>> be a government office.  Guns are usually banned in there.  Do you   
   >>>>>> ha   
   >>> ve   
   >>>>>> so   
   >>>>> me   
   >>>>>> other place in mind?   
   >>>>>> 2.  Just how would my having a gun put your life at risk?  Are you   
   >>>>>> planning to attack me or threaten my life?   
   >>>>>>> Are you seriously going to   
   >>>>>>> tell me that no gun owner or carrier has ever killed anyone that   
   >>>>>>> wasn't threatening them?   
   >>>>>> Nope, because it has happened.  Of course your odds of being   
   >>>>>> killed in   
   >>>>> a   
   >>>>>> Tornado or be struck by lightning are higher that that occurrence.   
   >>>>>>  If you have proof of the contrary, then feel free to post it.   
   >>>>> FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing   
   >>>>> deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base on   
   >>>>> Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 11 other people and   
   >>>>> left 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman, and the violence   
   >>>>> was believed to be the worst mass shooting in history at a U.S.   
   >>>>> military base.   
   >>>>> The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., when shots were fired at the   
   >>>>> base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be   
   >>>>> deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening, said Lt.   
   >>>>> Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood.   
   >>>> Yep, aware of it.  You do realize that most Democrats and antigunners   
   >>>> feel that guns should be restricted to just law enforcement or the   
   >>>> military.  How did that work for you at Ft Hood?   
   >>> How did it work for YOU? Could you stand up to an armed soldier?   
   >> If I was also armed.....yes.  I was one of them for awhile.   
   >   
   > Somehow, I'm guessing your reaction time is not quite up to that of   
   > an 18-21 year old. Just a hunch, because I know full well that mine   
   > isn't.   
      
   So we should yank your drivers license too, right??   
      
   >>> I'm tired of you people trying to have it both ways.   
   >> We get a little tired of you and your tired ideas, too, Matt, but I think   
   >> that you are probably all right as a person.....just a little soft in the   
   >> head...  ;)   
   >   
   > There are days when I remember why I like you. I disagree with you,   
   > but   
   > I like you.   
      
   DISGUSTING!   
      
   >>> Guns are defensive, except, of course when they aren't.   
   >> That is true.  Guns are instruments that can be used both ways.   
   >   
   > The issue is really more the attitude of *many* (not all) pro-gun   
   > folk. That   
   > guns are good because they can defend you, and when people use them   
   > badly (as in the army story, or any newspaper story these days) that   
   > it is   
   > 'gang-bangers' or 'bad guys'. Um, they weren't always gang-bangers or   
   > bad   
   > guys. Could it possibly be that using the gun made them bad?   
      
   Oh my!   
      
   So does using a steak knife "make you bad"?   
      
   How about an automobile?   
      
   Chainsaw?   
      
   Power-nailer?   
      
   You're a FUCKING MORON!   
      
   Here's a clue, inanimate objects can not make a person into anything,   
   you simpering slackwit!   
      
   >>> But then, it is because they are   
   >>> all   
   >>> gang-bangers (lots of THEM in the army) or nutcases.   
   >>> I think we've defined the pro-gun group, haven't we?   
   >> In your sick little mind, probably.   
   >   
   > I'm not sick, just annoyed. Not really at you, and I do apologize for   
   > taking it out   
   > on you. It is more the whiners and wannabes around here. The ones that   
   > you know   
   > would turn tail and run if they were ever put in a bad situation.   
      
   More strawmen from the cowering little cunt.   
      
   > I grew up in NYC, I dealt with lots of bad situations. Some involved   
   > weapons, some   
   > did not. I've stared down a man with a gun, and lived to tell the tale   
   > (at the time, I didn't   
   > think I would). I know better than to point a weapon at someone if I'm   
   > not pulling the   
   > trigger or thrusting the point or whatever is required for that   
   > weapon, at the time. I   
   > live in Colorado, where guns are plentiful, and there are just as many   
   > idiots with them   
   > as with cars (and just as many good ones).   
      
   So there we have it folks, an early life experience traumatized little   
      
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