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   XPost: alt.politics, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.art-bell   
   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   Matt wrote:   
   > On Nov 6, 11:57 am, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)   
   > wrote:   
   >> "RD (The Sandman)"  wrote   
   >> innews:Xns9CBB668B08A2hopewell@216.196.97.130:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Matt  wrote in   
   >>> news:64cd7060-e8e2-437f-abec-10f68a25c196@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:   
   >>   
   >>>> On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>> @comcast.net> wrote:   
   >>>>> Matt  wrote   
   >>>>> innews:2a516e09-93ad-4cbe-93f1-a143ae   
   >>>> 3bb...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:   
   >>   
   >>>>>> On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Matt  wrote in   
   >>>>>>> news:c7f26fc7-8253-4119-ab1f-   
   >>>>>>> a4c6c8c0b...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 4:12 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" >>>>>>> @comcast.net> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Matt  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>> news:c625d3fb-f8ab-4ef8-a74b-   
   >>>>>>>>> 8ae131e3d...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>>>> @yahoo.com> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 7:26 am, Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>>>>>> @yahoo.co m> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns Matt    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see his point. The problem is, you are only looking   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it from one viewpoint.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have rights as well, and your rights stop where mine   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> start.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> My gun ownership has zero effect on your rights.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I agree.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Your gun CARRYING does have an effect on my rights.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> My carrying a gun has absolutely ZERO effect on your rights.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Really. "Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness".   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Try again. Better yet, don't. You disagree with me, and   
   >>>>>>>>>> that's fine. But simply repeating the same old rhetoric with   
   >>>>>>>>>> more and more hyperbole isn't getting anyone anywhere.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>> Or you. Please be specific about how my carrying of a gun   
   >>>>>>>>> affect s your "life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness".   
   >>>>>>>>> None of those are affect ed unless your pursuit of happiness   
   >>>>>>>>> includes disarming me.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>> If you are carrying a gun in a place that I *Must* frequent (as   
   >>>>>>>> opposed to   
   >>>>>>>> may, or could) then I consider my life at risk.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> Two questions:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> 1. The only place I can think of where you *MUST* frequent would   
   >>>>>>> be a government office. Guns are usually banned in there. Do you   
   >>>>>>> ha ve so me other place in mind?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> 2. Just how would my having a gun put your life at risk? Are you   
   >>>>>>> planning to attack me or threaten my life?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>> Are you seriously going to   
   >>>>>>>> tell me that no gun owner or carrier has ever killed anyone   
   >>>>>>>> that wasn't threatening them?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> Nope, because it has happened. Of course your odds of being   
   >>>>>>> killed in a Tornado or be struck by lightning are higher that   
   >>>>>>> that occurrence. If you have proof of the contrary, then feel   
   >>>>>>> free to post it.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> FORT HOOD, Texas – A military mental health doctor facing   
   >>>>>> deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base on   
   >>>>>> Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 11 other people   
   >>>>>> and left 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman, and the   
   >>>>>> violence was believed to be the worst mass shooting in history   
   >>>>>> at a U.S. military base.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., when shots were fired at the   
   >>>>>> base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to   
   >>>>>> be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening, said   
   >>>>>> Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood.   
   >>   
   >>>>> Yep, aware of it. You do realize that most Democrats and   
   >>>>> antigunners feel that guns should be restricted to just law   
   >>>>> enforcement or the military. How did that work for you at Ft Hood?   
   >>   
   >>>> How did it work for YOU? Could you stand up to an armed soldier?   
   >>   
   >> Civilains, properly armed have been standing up to soldiers   
   >> throughout   
   >> history. You use your civilian gun to get yourself some military   
   >> hardware.   
   >> Don't you read?   
   >   
   > On a very small scale, I will agree with you. There has not, however,   
   > been an   
   > armed revolt against the military that has worked in quite some time.   
   > There have   
   > been some guerilla efforts that have worked for a short time. Can you   
   > name a time   
   > in modern history when the armed populace have successfully stopped a   
   > large   
   > scale army?   
      
   First Chechen War   
      
   Afghanistan   
      
   WWII   
      
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